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> Apple has a vested interest in not collecting, analysing Do you seriously believe that? They are doing this non stop. Not a month goes by without my iPad req

> Apple has a vested interest in not collecting, analysing Do you seriously believe that? They are doing this non stop. Not a month goes by without my iPad requesting my iCloud password so it can back up my entire tablet, even though I've repeatedly declined to provide it. They are collecting and analysing PII data all the time. They need it because it's an arms' race. They will only stop if compelled to do so by governments or by a privacy scandal. > "We" are not all prepared to hand over private information. Unless you tell me you never, ever use a search engine (not just Google, could be Bing or Yahoo or whatever), I am pretty sure you are in denial about that compromise. You are giving away private information all the time, you just don't realize it, or you are okay with the fact that "Getting good search results for this query is worth Google logging my IP".

zyxley 11y ago
> Not a month goes by without my iPad requesting my iCloud password so it can back up my entire tablet It sounds like you have Settings -> iCloud -> Backup -> iCloud Backup turned on. > They are collecting and analysing PII data all the time. What sort of evidence do you have to support this?
- fpgeek 11y ago
  How about Apple has admitting they do exactly that? http://www.imore.com/yosemite-ios-8-spotlight-and-privacy-what-you-need-know http://www.imore.com/yosemite-ios-8-spotlight-and-privacy-wh... Yes, they say they properly anonymize and location-scrub this personal information before they store, aggregate and analyze it (and I have no reason to doubt that they're doing that, at least for their own use), but they are clearly collecting it. And if you're going to talk about things like vulnerability to government surveillance, just collecting it in the first place is more than enough to open that door.
threeseed 11y ago
Apple obviously needs PII because they are billing you for purchases. You don't need to supply any of it.
stephenr 11y ago
> Not a month goes by without my iPad requesting my iCloud password so it can back up my entire tablet, even though I've repeatedly declined to provide it. Apple prompts you to backup your data... so they must be analysing your data? Can I get whatever brand of space cakes you're snacking on? > They need it because it's an arms' race Google/etc are dependant on that information - without it they have almost no revenue at all. Apple sells physical and digital products, and provides services. Almost all of these cost money to use, and the amount of data personal information required from the customer to provide those services is close to zero. So tell me again why apple "needs" the data which they have repeatedly said they don't collect and don't want to collect? > Unless you tell me you never, ever use a search engine I refer you to https://duckduckgo.com/privacy https://duckduckgo.com/privacy & http://donttrack.us http://donttrack.us
rsynnott 11y ago
> Not a month goes by without my iPad requesting my iCloud password so it can back up my entire tablet, even though I've repeatedly declined to provide it. Settings -> iCloud -> Backup -> switch slider to off.

zyxley 11y ago

> Not a month goes by without my iPad requesting my iCloud password so it can back up my entire tablet It sounds like you have Settings -> iCloud -> Backup -> iCloud Backup turned on. > They are collecting and analysing PII data all the time. What sort of evidence do you have to support this?

fpgeek 11y ago
How about Apple has admitting they do exactly that? http://www.imore.com/yosemite-ios-8-spotlight-and-privacy-what-you-need-know http://www.imore.com/yosemite-ios-8-spotlight-and-privacy-wh... Yes, they say they properly anonymize and location-scrub this personal information before they store, aggregate and analyze it (and I have no reason to doubt that they're doing that, at least for their own use), but they are clearly collecting it. And if you're going to talk about things like vulnerability to government surveillance, just collecting it in the first place is more than enough to open that door.

threeseed 11y ago

Apple obviously needs PII because they are billing you for purchases. You don't need to supply any of it.

stephenr 11y ago

> Not a month goes by without my iPad requesting my iCloud password so it can back up my entire tablet, even though I've repeatedly declined to provide it. Apple prompts you to backup your data... so they must be analysing your data? Can I get whatever brand of space cakes you're snacking on? > They need it because it's an arms' race Google/etc are dependant on that information - without it they have almost no revenue at all. Apple sells physical and digital products, and provides services. Almost all of these cost money to use, and the amount of data personal information required from the customer to provide those services is close to zero. So tell me again why apple "needs" the data which they have repeatedly said they don't collect and don't want to collect? > Unless you tell me you never, ever use a search engine I refer you to https://duckduckgo.com/privacy https://duckduckgo.com/privacy & http://donttrack.us http://donttrack.us

rsynnott 11y ago

> Not a month goes by without my iPad requesting my iCloud password so it can back up my entire tablet, even though I've repeatedly declined to provide it. Settings -> iCloud -> Backup -> switch slider to off.