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It's funny how Google advocates always "bash" apple for being "closed source" when this company ships the most popular Unix in the world... and all of their pro

by MCRed 11y ago

It's funny how Google advocates always "bash" apple for being "closed source" when this company ships the most popular Unix in the world... and all of their products, even the watch, are based on it. Yes, they do keep the Application/UI layer closed source, but so does google ("Google Apps"). Yet google has spend years propagandizing that they are "open" while Apple is "closed" and that plays right into the latent desire to hate Apple from those who got a PC instead of a Mac when they were a kid. Apple is different because for nearly 40 years they have been honest and forthright and treating people different. Google says "don't be evil" and then goes out and does evil. Apple doesn't say it, they just don't do it. The idea that all these companies want private info and thus are all going to be evil is cynical. And it ignores the fundamental truth: Apple's product is really nice software sold in a hardware box. Google's product is your private info. The business models couldn't be more different.

zak_mc_kracken 11y ago
> The idea that all these companies want private info and thus are all going to be evil is cynical. "cynical: believing that people are motivated by self-interest" In a free trade, capitalistic society, companies are by definition cynical, because the ones that are not go bankrupt. > Apple is different because for nearly 40 years they have been honest and forthright and treating people different. Google says "don't be evil" and then goes out and does evil. Apple doesn't say it, they just don't do it. I was with you until that last part. I would totally be on board with you if you say Google and Apple are both equally evil because they are looking after their own interest. The fact you think that google is doing evil and Apple is not makes me think you're a bit too far gone on the fanboy side.
jlarocco 11y ago
> Apple is different because for nearly 40 years they have been honest and forthright and treating people different. Google says "don't be evil" and then goes out and does evil. Apple doesn't say it, they just don't do it. Google and Apple behave similarly, as far as I can tell. TBH, I wouldn't call either company "evil," but they're both equally unfriendly to users, IMO. I'm curious why you think Apple is less "evil"? > And it ignores the fundamental truth: Apple's product is really nice software sold in a hardware box. Google's product is your private info. That's not a fundamental truth, and it's a false dichotomy. Apple's products are both software/hardware AND private info.
ac29 11y ago
>It's funny how Google advocates always "bash" apple for being "closed source" when this company ships the most popular Unix in the world... and all of their products, even the watch, are based on it. Android ships far more units than OS X/iOS and their derivatives do.
- sbuk 11y ago
  Android is not UNIX - it's GNU[0]/Linux-based, which is UNIX-like. iOS is also not UNIX, which is based on OS X but not UNIX Certified. OS X is UNIX. [0] GNU's Not Unix
  - ac29 11y ago
    I stand corrected. You appear to be technically correct that OS X is "Unix" [0] not Unix-like or a Unix clone like Linux-based operating systems. Legal precedent established in the SCO-linux cases [1] seems to confirm this technicality. I think the distinction is pedantic, but I think we can agree that Android is the most widely shipped OS based on a Unix-like kernel. [0] http://www.opengroup.org/csq/search/t=XY1.html http://www.opengroup.org/csq/search/t=XY1.html [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO%E2%80%93Linux_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO%E2%80%93Linux_controversie...
    - sbuk 11y ago
      >"I think the distinction is pedantic" It is, but no more than that of the OP and you. It's ultimately irrelevant to this discussion.
  - sdenton4 11y ago
    And while technically unix, the command line tools which ship are so horribly out of date as to be almost unusable.... Try using sftp on a mac sometime, if you enjoy the sensation of bleeding from your eyes.
    - sbuk 11y ago
      Works just fine for me. Sorry...
davidcgl 11y ago
> Google says "don't be evil" and then goes out and does evil. "Evil" such as serving you ads? > Google's product is your private info. Better ads targeting using your private info - not selling your private info to advertisers/governments. It's evident how much you distrust Google, but don't spread and allude to FUD.

by MCRed 11y ago

zak_mc_kracken 11y ago

> The idea that all these companies want private info and thus are all going to be evil is cynical. "cynical: believing that people are motivated by self-interest" In a free trade, capitalistic society, companies are by definition cynical, because the ones that are not go bankrupt. > Apple is different because for nearly 40 years they have been honest and forthright and treating people different. Google says "don't be evil" and then goes out and does evil. Apple doesn't say it, they just don't do it. I was with you until that last part. I would totally be on board with you if you say Google and Apple are both equally evil because they are looking after their own interest. The fact you think that google is doing evil and Apple is not makes me think you're a bit too far gone on the fanboy side.

jlarocco 11y ago

> Apple is different because for nearly 40 years they have been honest and forthright and treating people different. Google says "don't be evil" and then goes out and does evil. Apple doesn't say it, they just don't do it. Google and Apple behave similarly, as far as I can tell. TBH, I wouldn't call either company "evil," but they're both equally unfriendly to users, IMO. I'm curious why you think Apple is less "evil"? > And it ignores the fundamental truth: Apple's product is really nice software sold in a hardware box. Google's product is your private info. That's not a fundamental truth, and it's a false dichotomy. Apple's products are both software/hardware AND private info.

ac29 11y ago

>It's funny how Google advocates always "bash" apple for being "closed source" when this company ships the most popular Unix in the world... and all of their products, even the watch, are based on it. Android ships far more units than OS X/iOS and their derivatives do.

sbuk 11y ago
Android is not UNIX - it's GNU[0]/Linux-based, which is UNIX-like. iOS is also not UNIX, which is based on OS X but not UNIX Certified. OS X is UNIX. [0] GNU's Not Unix
- ac29 11y ago
  I stand corrected. You appear to be technically correct that OS X is "Unix" [0] not Unix-like or a Unix clone like Linux-based operating systems. Legal precedent established in the SCO-linux cases [1] seems to confirm this technicality. I think the distinction is pedantic, but I think we can agree that Android is the most widely shipped OS based on a Unix-like kernel. [0] http://www.opengroup.org/csq/search/t=XY1.html http://www.opengroup.org/csq/search/t=XY1.html [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO%E2%80%93Linux_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO%E2%80%93Linux_controversie...
  - sbuk 11y ago
    >"I think the distinction is pedantic" It is, but no more than that of the OP and you. It's ultimately irrelevant to this discussion.
- sdenton4 11y ago
  And while technically unix, the command line tools which ship are so horribly out of date as to be almost unusable.... Try using sftp on a mac sometime, if you enjoy the sensation of bleeding from your eyes.
  - sbuk 11y ago
    Works just fine for me. Sorry...

davidcgl 11y ago

> Google says "don't be evil" and then goes out and does evil. "Evil" such as serving you ads? > Google's product is your private info. Better ads targeting using your private info - not selling your private info to advertisers/governments. It's evident how much you distrust Google, but don't spread and allude to FUD.