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Abortion isn't murder. Women empowered to leave abusive, philandering husbands. Women no longer pressured to marry young in order to survive, can focus on car

by jkyle 11y ago

Abortion isn't murder. Women empowered to leave abusive, philandering husbands. Women no longer pressured to marry young in order to survive, can focus on careers. As far as whether women choose husbands only for their riches, I tend not to draw too many generalizations based on a sample of 2 in 750 million. However, men and women in an egalitarian society tend to choose partners they view as having achieved comparable success socially, economically, and academically.

3princip 11y ago
>Abortion isn't murder Always struck me as a very Orwellian slogan.
- jkyle 11y ago
  No more Orweillian than "Carrots are not fish."
- juliangregorian 11y ago
  It's not though. A fetus is not a person, and the act is not unlawful. So abortion is logically not murder, and therefore no doublethink is involved.
  - pjkundert 11y ago
    There was a time the same reasoning worked for slaves. edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_codes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_codes "If any slave resists his master...correcting such a slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction...the master shall be free of all punishment...as if such accident never happened." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States ... a master could be held criminally liable for killing a slave only if the slave he killed was "completely submissive and under the master's absolute control." So, effectively, slaves were considered chattel, and legally dispatched if not submissive to the will of the owner. Much like a cow, not like a person. This historical fact is not really at question.
    - juliangregorian 11y ago
      Not true, it was never legal to kill slaves (in the US anyway).
blacktulip 11y ago
abortion, you wish China has long forbid pre-birth gender detecting. As a respond, People just bin new born girls outright. Especially in rural villages. There are sparse reports on news but as far as I know, it is very common.
- thret 11y ago
  http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/922351.shtml http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/922351.shtml Yes this is just one article, but it doesn't mention anything about post-birth selection. That would be terrible. I just don't believe it is happening at scale - people are not that evil.
saiya-jin 11y ago
> Women no longer pressured to marry young in order to survive, can focus on careers. And what great mothers this produces, with happy and balanced kids all around, right? Err, somehow, I fail to see many around me, but I am sure this is just local situation. Maybe you are happy just by pursuing career, but most have to find happiness elsewhere. The thing is, women don't really have such a big window as men when they are considered attractive for dating or starting a family. And then you have fertility issues sooner. The world ain't fair in this topic, but things are as they are. > Women empowered to leave abusive, philandering husbands. In current modern empowered world, there are as many bad wives as bad husbands (yes, anecdotal, but somehow real in my experience). Women don't tend to resort to physical violence, but there are other ways to behave badly in relationships.

by jkyle 11y ago

3princip 11y ago

>Abortion isn't murder Always struck me as a very Orwellian slogan.

jkyle 11y ago
No more Orweillian than "Carrots are not fish."
juliangregorian 11y ago
It's not though. A fetus is not a person, and the act is not unlawful. So abortion is logically not murder, and therefore no doublethink is involved.
- pjkundert 11y ago
  There was a time the same reasoning worked for slaves. edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_codes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_codes "If any slave resists his master...correcting such a slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction...the master shall be free of all punishment...as if such accident never happened." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States ... a master could be held criminally liable for killing a slave only if the slave he killed was "completely submissive and under the master's absolute control." So, effectively, slaves were considered chattel, and legally dispatched if not submissive to the will of the owner. Much like a cow, not like a person. This historical fact is not really at question.
  - juliangregorian 11y ago
    Not true, it was never legal to kill slaves (in the US anyway).

blacktulip 11y ago

abortion, you wish China has long forbid pre-birth gender detecting. As a respond, People just bin new born girls outright. Especially in rural villages. There are sparse reports on news but as far as I know, it is very common.

thret 11y ago
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/922351.shtml http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/922351.shtml Yes this is just one article, but it doesn't mention anything about post-birth selection. That would be terrible. I just don't believe it is happening at scale - people are not that evil.

saiya-jin 11y ago

> Women no longer pressured to marry young in order to survive, can focus on careers. And what great mothers this produces, with happy and balanced kids all around, right? Err, somehow, I fail to see many around me, but I am sure this is just local situation. Maybe you are happy just by pursuing career, but most have to find happiness elsewhere. The thing is, women don't really have such a big window as men when they are considered attractive for dating or starting a family. And then you have fertility issues sooner. The world ain't fair in this topic, but things are as they are. > Women empowered to leave abusive, philandering husbands. In current modern empowered world, there are as many bad wives as bad husbands (yes, anecdotal, but somehow real in my experience). Women don't tend to resort to physical violence, but there are other ways to behave badly in relationships.