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pile of crap. women in the US are incentivized to divorce. In all cases they get primary custody of the children even if they have drug issues and walk away w

by bnolsen 11y ago

pile of crap. women in the US are incentivized to divorce. In all cases they get primary custody of the children even if they have drug issues and walk away with substantial income. 80% of divorces in the US are initiated by the woman. This leaves men impoverished and unable to interract with their own children. The state treats them like money generators and that's it. http://www.uplifting-love.com/2013/08/80-percent-of-divorces-are-filed-by.html http://www.uplifting-love.com/2013/08/80-percent-of-divorces... i don't agree with the above article, just posted it as the very wide evidence of women throwing away the marriage contract.

magic_beans 11y ago
"In all cases they get primary custody of the children even if they have drug issues and walk away with substantial income" Whoa. That is ABSOLUTELY not true. "80% of divorces in the US are initiated by the woman." 20% percent (but probably much more) of marriages involve women being domestic abused by their husbands. Why should a woman stay in an unhappy or abusive relationship? Your comment is pretty out of line, man.
- alextgordon 11y ago
  > "80% of divorces in the US are initiated by the woman." > Why should a woman stay in an [unhappy] relationship? I don't think you can make that inference.
- mafribe 11y ago
  Why should a woman stay in an unhappy or abusive relationship? Turn this question around: why should a man stay in an unhappy or abusive relationship? Answer: because given the current divorce law, and, more importantly, divorce practice, he will loose half his money, his house and his children, should there be any. 20% percent (but probably much more) of marriages involve women being domestic abused by their husbands. By what credible metric? Counting not buying red roses every day as abuse?
- hedgew 11y ago
  The overall violent crime rate is 0.4%. It sounds unbelievable that wives are 50 times more likely to be victims of violence than the general population. Even in prisons, the violent crime rate is only 4%
  - snowwrestler 11y ago
    For almost any category of violent crime or abuse, the statistics are clear that it is more common between people who know each other (family, spouse, lover, friend, coach, teacher) than between strangers.
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- mreiland 11y ago
  do you have a credible citation to back that up? Everything I've read on the matter seems to think men are more likely to be abused in relationships than men.
jkyle 11y ago
The author of the linked site is a Christian Evangelist. The statistics he cites are out of context. The divorce rate has been dropping sharply and now hovers at 15%. Social scientists and researchers attribute this drop, in large part, to the feminist and equal rights movements and changing gender roles. [1] Lower socioeconomic status and education are correlated with higher divorce rates. And higher rates of financial insecurity after divorce. This is largely attributed to more traditional gender roles. [1] Essentially, the spike in divorce during the 70's and 80's was due to women being empowered to leave bad marriages and find economic independence. Currently, those demographics that have embraced the new gender roles and women's equal social status have seen a huge drop in divorce, increase in marriage stability, and decreases in marriage related stress. While those demographics who continue to try to enforce traditional gender roles retain the same level of volatility. Only 10-15% of all divorces end in alimony. I'd say that's hardly enough to claim that the "state treats them like money generators". [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-is-over-but-the-myth-lives-on.html?abt=0002&abg=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-i...
- mreiland 11y ago
  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marriage-rates-at-all-time-low-why/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marriage-rates-at-all-time-lo... A new report shows the current number of married adults has dropped to a record low of 51 percent. That's not the only trend changing. Americans are getting married for the first time at older ages than ever before. The crazy person might think the reason divorce rates have dropped is a combination of marriage rates decreasing coupled with the ones who do marry do it when they're older and presumably wiser and more mature. Not only that, but for years now I've seen people talking about men not marrying because they get no real benefit out of marriage, but take on all the risks. And while I don't have any statistics on the matter, as a man who has made the decision not to marry myself, this really resonates with me as to my thinking when I first made the decision back in my college days. http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/09/24/decline_of_marriage_pew_shows_there_aren_t_enough_marriageable_men.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/09/24/decline_of_ma... Where are your statistics that the spike in divorces in the 70's and 80's were due to woman being empowered? You make the claim, but not even the link you posted bears that out. Here's a quote from your link: But it also seems to be the case that marriages have gotten more stable, as people are marrying later. Even it attributes it to people marrying later (which makes sense). Furthermore, the poster you were responding to was obviously talking about more than simply alimony. They were talking about things like child support as well. When you see people talking about marriage having all the risks but none of the rewards this is what they're talking about. Can you please get some actual statistics to backup your claim? Because not even the articles you linked appear to agree with you.
protonfish 11y ago
And yet, I know men who willingly initiate divorce for pathetic reasons. I just want to hit them with a shovel.

by bnolsen 11y ago

magic_beans 11y ago

"In all cases they get primary custody of the children even if they have drug issues and walk away with substantial income" Whoa. That is ABSOLUTELY not true. "80% of divorces in the US are initiated by the woman." 20% percent (but probably much more) of marriages involve women being domestic abused by their husbands. Why should a woman stay in an unhappy or abusive relationship? Your comment is pretty out of line, man.

alextgordon 11y ago
> "80% of divorces in the US are initiated by the woman." > Why should a woman stay in an [unhappy] relationship? I don't think you can make that inference.
mafribe 11y ago
Why should a woman stay in an unhappy or abusive relationship? Turn this question around: why should a man stay in an unhappy or abusive relationship? Answer: because given the current divorce law, and, more importantly, divorce practice, he will loose half his money, his house and his children, should there be any. 20% percent (but probably much more) of marriages involve women being domestic abused by their husbands. By what credible metric? Counting not buying red roses every day as abuse?
hedgew 11y ago
The overall violent crime rate is 0.4%. It sounds unbelievable that wives are 50 times more likely to be victims of violence than the general population. Even in prisons, the violent crime rate is only 4%
- snowwrestler 11y ago
  For almost any category of violent crime or abuse, the statistics are clear that it is more common between people who know each other (family, spouse, lover, friend, coach, teacher) than between strangers.
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mreiland 11y ago
do you have a credible citation to back that up? Everything I've read on the matter seems to think men are more likely to be abused in relationships than men.

jkyle 11y ago

The author of the linked site is a Christian Evangelist. The statistics he cites are out of context. The divorce rate has been dropping sharply and now hovers at 15%. Social scientists and researchers attribute this drop, in large part, to the feminist and equal rights movements and changing gender roles. [1] Lower socioeconomic status and education are correlated with higher divorce rates. And higher rates of financial insecurity after divorce. This is largely attributed to more traditional gender roles. [1] Essentially, the spike in divorce during the 70's and 80's was due to women being empowered to leave bad marriages and find economic independence. Currently, those demographics that have embraced the new gender roles and women's equal social status have seen a huge drop in divorce, increase in marriage stability, and decreases in marriage related stress. While those demographics who continue to try to enforce traditional gender roles retain the same level of volatility. Only 10-15% of all divorces end in alimony. I'd say that's hardly enough to claim that the "state treats them like money generators". [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-is-over-but-the-myth-lives-on.html?abt=0002&abg=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-i...

mreiland 11y ago
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marriage-rates-at-all-time-low-why/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-marriage-rates-at-all-time-lo... A new report shows the current number of married adults has dropped to a record low of 51 percent. That's not the only trend changing. Americans are getting married for the first time at older ages than ever before. The crazy person might think the reason divorce rates have dropped is a combination of marriage rates decreasing coupled with the ones who do marry do it when they're older and presumably wiser and more mature. Not only that, but for years now I've seen people talking about men not marrying because they get no real benefit out of marriage, but take on all the risks. And while I don't have any statistics on the matter, as a man who has made the decision not to marry myself, this really resonates with me as to my thinking when I first made the decision back in my college days. http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/09/24/decline_of_marriage_pew_shows_there_aren_t_enough_marriageable_men.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/09/24/decline_of_ma... Where are your statistics that the spike in divorces in the 70's and 80's were due to woman being empowered? You make the claim, but not even the link you posted bears that out. Here's a quote from your link: But it also seems to be the case that marriages have gotten more stable, as people are marrying later. Even it attributes it to people marrying later (which makes sense). Furthermore, the poster you were responding to was obviously talking about more than simply alimony. They were talking about things like child support as well. When you see people talking about marriage having all the risks but none of the rewards this is what they're talking about. Can you please get some actual statistics to backup your claim? Because not even the articles you linked appear to agree with you.

protonfish 11y ago

And yet, I know men who willingly initiate divorce for pathetic reasons. I just want to hit them with a shovel.