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The CRU have publicly asserted that they have not deleted emails or data. "No record has been deleted, altered, or otherwise dealt with in any fashion with the

by ionfish 17y ago

The CRU have publicly asserted that they have not deleted emails or data. "No record has been deleted, altered, or otherwise dealt with in any fashion with the intent of preventing the disclosure of all, or any part, of the requested information." http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagenews/CRUupdate http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagen...

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yummyfajitas 17y ago
Phil Jones, Wed Dec 3 13:57:09 2008: About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little - if anything at all. http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=940&filename=1228330629.txt http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=940&filen... Hat tip: Steve McIntyre. http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/denying-email-deletion/ http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/denying-email-delet...
- ionfish 17y ago
  Deleting emails is not the same as deleting emails to prevent disclosure. I delete emails all the time; I presume everyone does. The email being quoted here doesn't say anything about why Jones "deleted loads of emails". You are inferring more than is warranted.
  - jacoblyles 17y ago
    >"Mike, Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. … Cheers Phil" http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/willis-eschenbachs-foi-request/ http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/willis-eschenbachs-...
  - 10ren 17y ago
    Just a side question: I hardly ever delete emails (except for automatic reminders etc), and I always assumed that's the standard thing (I'm using gmail). But ionfish deletes emails, so I'm questioning my assumption. Do you delete emails?
    - DanielBMarkham 17y ago
      I never delete any emails. I find with several years of emails and a good search engine, it's like having a super memory.
      - electromagnetic 17y ago
        Agreed, I've had email since I can remember and I'm only 21. Aside from them getting lost from formats, I have never deleted a genuine email. Even with a piss poor search engine, it's better than my computer-dependent brain's attempt at memory. I've flat-out given up on remembering many things, I either have a note pad and pen or they end up on google Docs so I can retrieve them anywhere. (Edit: All I need is a good smartphone plan and Google Docs and Gmail can flat-out replace my need to remember anything)
    - Kadin 17y ago
      I have in the past (when disk was a lot more expensive than it is now) deleted email that I was sure I'd never care about -- archives from projects that had concluded, for instance, and mostly consisted of "hey, can you come into my office for a minute" type stuff. But I've never deleted sent messages. I pretty much have every message I've ever sent, minus a few here and there that perished due to hardware failure. This is mostly for CYA reasons but also just because it's a useful personal historical record. I would be pretty suspicious if someone told me to go through my workstation and delete messages pertaining to a certain subject. Although there are companies which, due to the legal climate they operate in, have information-destruction policies (basically keeping stuff for the amount of time legally required and NOT A DAY MORE), having a policy that's in effect all the time is a lot less suspect than requesting specific emails be destroyed.
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  - electromagnetic 17y ago
    I've never deleted a genuine email in my entire life. I've deleted thousands of emails, sometimes in one go, but I've never mentioned 'deleting loads of emails' it's "I deleted a shit load of spam today, it was a fucking boat load, you could feed a third world country!" Perhaps yes he deleted a lot of spam, but no one on the planet considers them emails. Why would he be any different?
    - ahlatimer 17y ago
      I try to go through and regularly delete emails I don't feel to be important. I archive the ones that I do want to keep, but the rest get deleted. I simply don't need to hold on to things like old conversations with my advisors about registration, emails from Facebook, Twitter, etc. containing updates, random emails amongst friends, and many more. I don't consider those to be spam, and some of them were definitely genuine email for the time, regardless of how you define something ambiguous like "genuine email", but I just don't feel the need to be a digital pack rat. There's a decent chance that I'm not the only one that feels this way.
    - junklight 17y ago
      a lot of places that are subject to FOI requests have policies in place to delete emails more than X months old (where X is given as part of the policy). Keeps costs down more than anything I think - FOI can be very expensive and time consuming (although it is a good thing).

by ionfish 17y ago

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yummyfajitas 17y ago

Phil Jones, Wed Dec 3 13:57:09 2008: About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little - if anything at all. http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=940&filename=1228330629.txt http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=940&filen... Hat tip: Steve McIntyre. http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/denying-email-deletion/ http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/denying-email-delet...

ionfish 17y ago
Deleting emails is not the same as deleting emails to prevent disclosure. I delete emails all the time; I presume everyone does. The email being quoted here doesn't say anything about why Jones "deleted loads of emails". You are inferring more than is warranted.
- jacoblyles 17y ago
  >"Mike, Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. … Cheers Phil" http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/willis-eschenbachs-foi-request/ http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/willis-eschenbachs-...
- 10ren 17y ago
  Just a side question: I hardly ever delete emails (except for automatic reminders etc), and I always assumed that's the standard thing (I'm using gmail). But ionfish deletes emails, so I'm questioning my assumption. Do you delete emails?
  - DanielBMarkham 17y ago
    I never delete any emails. I find with several years of emails and a good search engine, it's like having a super memory.
    - electromagnetic 17y ago
      Agreed, I've had email since I can remember and I'm only 21. Aside from them getting lost from formats, I have never deleted a genuine email. Even with a piss poor search engine, it's better than my computer-dependent brain's attempt at memory. I've flat-out given up on remembering many things, I either have a note pad and pen or they end up on google Docs so I can retrieve them anywhere. (Edit: All I need is a good smartphone plan and Google Docs and Gmail can flat-out replace my need to remember anything)
  - Kadin 17y ago
    I have in the past (when disk was a lot more expensive than it is now) deleted email that I was sure I'd never care about -- archives from projects that had concluded, for instance, and mostly consisted of "hey, can you come into my office for a minute" type stuff. But I've never deleted sent messages. I pretty much have every message I've ever sent, minus a few here and there that perished due to hardware failure. This is mostly for CYA reasons but also just because it's a useful personal historical record. I would be pretty suspicious if someone told me to go through my workstation and delete messages pertaining to a certain subject. Although there are companies which, due to the legal climate they operate in, have information-destruction policies (basically keeping stuff for the amount of time legally required and NOT A DAY MORE), having a policy that's in effect all the time is a lot less suspect than requesting specific emails be destroyed.
    - 17y ago
- electromagnetic 17y ago
  I've never deleted a genuine email in my entire life. I've deleted thousands of emails, sometimes in one go, but I've never mentioned 'deleting loads of emails' it's "I deleted a shit load of spam today, it was a fucking boat load, you could feed a third world country!" Perhaps yes he deleted a lot of spam, but no one on the planet considers them emails. Why would he be any different?
  - ahlatimer 17y ago
    I try to go through and regularly delete emails I don't feel to be important. I archive the ones that I do want to keep, but the rest get deleted. I simply don't need to hold on to things like old conversations with my advisors about registration, emails from Facebook, Twitter, etc. containing updates, random emails amongst friends, and many more. I don't consider those to be spam, and some of them were definitely genuine email for the time, regardless of how you define something ambiguous like "genuine email", but I just don't feel the need to be a digital pack rat. There's a decent chance that I'm not the only one that feels this way.
  - junklight 17y ago
    a lot of places that are subject to FOI requests have policies in place to delete emails more than X months old (where X is given as part of the policy). Keeps costs down more than anything I think - FOI can be very expensive and time consuming (although it is a good thing).