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I'll probably never know what the data supports (although I'm admittedly skeptical), but I do know that discussing deleting emails and data to avoid responding

I'll probably never know what the data supports (although I'm admittedly skeptical), but I do know that discussing deleting emails and data to avoid responding to an FOI request is probably illegal, and definitely casts a cloud on everything else the participants have touched.

sriramk 17y ago
+1. I have lots of sympathy for emails being taken out of context, internal jargon looking weird when shown in public. But asking someone to delete email/data is just wrong and can't be explained away. I find it sad that there hasn't been an official response to that specific email thread. I also wonder whether it might be borderline illegal.
- Tichy 17y ago
  I didn't read the "ask somebody to delete data" part in that email? Also I think there have been official statements (I think the other article that was posted, about the "climate researcher who engages skeptics", mentioned the response).
ionfish 17y ago
The CRU have publicly asserted that they have not deleted emails or data. "No record has been deleted, altered, or otherwise dealt with in any fashion with the intent of preventing the disclosure of all, or any part, of the requested information." http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagenews/CRUupdate http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagen...
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- yummyfajitas 17y ago
  Phil Jones, Wed Dec 3 13:57:09 2008: About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little - if anything at all. http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=940&filename=1228330629.txt http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=940&filen... Hat tip: Steve McIntyre. http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/denying-email-deletion/ http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/denying-email-delet...
  - ionfish 17y ago
    Deleting emails is not the same as deleting emails to prevent disclosure. I delete emails all the time; I presume everyone does. The email being quoted here doesn't say anything about why Jones "deleted loads of emails". You are inferring more than is warranted.
    - jacoblyles 17y ago
      >"Mike, Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. … Cheers Phil" http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/willis-eschenbachs-foi-request/ http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/willis-eschenbachs-...
    - 10ren 17y ago
      Just a side question: I hardly ever delete emails (except for automatic reminders etc), and I always assumed that's the standard thing (I'm using gmail). But ionfish deletes emails, so I'm questioning my assumption. Do you delete emails?
      - DanielBMarkham 17y ago
        I never delete any emails. I find with several years of emails and a good search engine, it's like having a super memory.
        electromagnetic 17y ago
        Agreed, I've had email since I can remember and I'm only 21. Aside from them getting lost from formats, I have never deleted a genuine email. Even with a piss poor search engine, it's better than my computer-dependent brain's attempt at memory. I've flat-out given up on remembering many things, I either have a note pad and pen or they end up on google Docs so I can retrieve them anywhere. (Edit: All I need is a good smartphone plan and Google Docs and Gmail can flat-out replace my need to remember anything)

sriramk 17y ago

+1. I have lots of sympathy for emails being taken out of context, internal jargon looking weird when shown in public. But asking someone to delete email/data is just wrong and can't be explained away. I find it sad that there hasn't been an official response to that specific email thread. I also wonder whether it might be borderline illegal.

Tichy 17y ago
I didn't read the "ask somebody to delete data" part in that email? Also I think there have been official statements (I think the other article that was posted, about the "climate researcher who engages skeptics", mentioned the response).

ionfish 17y ago

The CRU have publicly asserted that they have not deleted emails or data. "No record has been deleted, altered, or otherwise dealt with in any fashion with the intent of preventing the disclosure of all, or any part, of the requested information." http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagenews/CRUupdate http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagen...

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yummyfajitas 17y ago
Phil Jones, Wed Dec 3 13:57:09 2008: About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little - if anything at all. http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=940&filename=1228330629.txt http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=940&filen... Hat tip: Steve McIntyre. http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/denying-email-deletion/ http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/denying-email-delet...
- ionfish 17y ago
  Deleting emails is not the same as deleting emails to prevent disclosure. I delete emails all the time; I presume everyone does. The email being quoted here doesn't say anything about why Jones "deleted loads of emails". You are inferring more than is warranted.
  - jacoblyles 17y ago
    >"Mike, Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise. … Cheers Phil" http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/willis-eschenbachs-foi-request/ http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/willis-eschenbachs-...
  - 10ren 17y ago
    Just a side question: I hardly ever delete emails (except for automatic reminders etc), and I always assumed that's the standard thing (I'm using gmail). But ionfish deletes emails, so I'm questioning my assumption. Do you delete emails?
    - DanielBMarkham 17y ago
      I never delete any emails. I find with several years of emails and a good search engine, it's like having a super memory.
      - electromagnetic 17y ago
        Agreed, I've had email since I can remember and I'm only 21. Aside from them getting lost from formats, I have never deleted a genuine email. Even with a piss poor search engine, it's better than my computer-dependent brain's attempt at memory. I've flat-out given up on remembering many things, I either have a note pad and pen or they end up on google Docs so I can retrieve them anywhere. (Edit: All I need is a good smartphone plan and Google Docs and Gmail can flat-out replace my need to remember anything)