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So my brother sent me a youtube link yesterday. It was a show by Luis CK, containing gems like I'm waiting to see their kid. They're so beautiful, maybe I w

So my brother sent me a youtube link yesterday. It was a show by Luis CK, containing gems like I'm waiting to see their kid. They're so beautiful, maybe I want to fuck their kid, I don't know. I'm not saying I would kill a kid and fuck him, … (continued for another moment or two) Now.. That's a stand-up comedian of course. The setting is clear. We obviously KNOW that he's trying to provoke and that he isn't serious. This isn't exactly my type of humor, but let's pretend I'd say something like that to a friend and someone overhears that. Or just quote it. Why would that change anything? I assume these things would fall below the 'objectionable thoughts' umbrella in your list. Would I deserve to be attacked for that? Fired for that? followed by I wouldn't fuck a kid. I wouldn't do that. Maybe a dead kid. Who are you hurting? He's _dead_. Who are you hurting?

kohanz 11y ago
That's not really a comparable scenario. Being overheard in a private conversation is not what's being discussed in the FHRITP case. What if you said a similar type comment, but on camera to a television reporter who decided to ask you a question to clarify the "joke" (remember that the general public does not consider this a joke, nor does it consider it funny), and you involved the reporter or their child in the joke (e.g. similar to the "vibrator" comment)?
- darklajid 11y ago
  Agreed. If we're talking about the drunken guys in front of the camera and the FHRITP thing (I .. didn't even know about that), that's plain insulting. That's the point, I guess: Insult/provoke in a direct manner. But this thread and the article talk about other cases as well and I'd argue that the PyCon case was merely a private conversation that someone overheard. I'd expect to be able to say the lines above to a friend and bystanders have nothing to do with it.
  - kohanz 11y ago
    Yes, the Pycon and FHRITP scenarios are on completely different planets as far as I'm concerned. I guess I'm focusing more on the latter because of recency bias and because it's in my backyard, geographically.

kohanz 11y ago

That's not really a comparable scenario. Being overheard in a private conversation is not what's being discussed in the FHRITP case. What if you said a similar type comment, but on camera to a television reporter who decided to ask you a question to clarify the "joke" (remember that the general public does not consider this a joke, nor does it consider it funny), and you involved the reporter or their child in the joke (e.g. similar to the "vibrator" comment)?

darklajid 11y ago
Agreed. If we're talking about the drunken guys in front of the camera and the FHRITP thing (I .. didn't even know about that), that's plain insulting. That's the point, I guess: Insult/provoke in a direct manner. But this thread and the article talk about other cases as well and I'd argue that the PyCon case was merely a private conversation that someone overheard. I'd expect to be able to say the lines above to a friend and bystanders have nothing to do with it.
- kohanz 11y ago
  Yes, the Pycon and FHRITP scenarios are on completely different planets as far as I'm concerned. I guess I'm focusing more on the latter because of recency bias and because it's in my backyard, geographically.