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Here's the HN thread on the subject: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391667 I think the thing that made peo

Here's the HN thread on the subject: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5391667 I think the thing that made people side with mr-hank over Adria Richards was that he came across as someone who would have responded well if she'd turned around and said "hey, can you guys tone down the innuendo?" whereas she came across as defending a mentality of rapid escalation. As one comment said, "It really is unfortunate that Adria didn't just reach out to you... you didn't intend harm; alas, it seems she did" (marden928) There were also minor things -- Adria Richards had previously made a twitter joke about freaking out TSA agents by stuffing socks down one's pants, her playing Cards Against Humanity at the same event, her defending her decision [0] "based on the PyCon code of conduct" when PyCon's code of conduct would have had her privately approach PyCon officials and let them try to resolve the issue, and not publicly post a picture of the individuals in question. [EDIT] Not to mention her trying to use back channels to remove mr-hank's comment that he'd been fired. [/EDIT] mr-hank being fired for being overheard saying something privately would be a great example for this article. Adria Richards' firing is an anti-example [1]. She sought the attention and continued to defend her overreactions, including a non-apology-apology -- and, furthermore, she was in a very public-facing position ("developer evangelist"). mr-hank was a run-of-the-mill employee saying something off the record that got back to the employer; Adria Richards was the opposite. [0] subthread at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5399047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5399047 [1] SendGrid's explanation: http://sendgrid.com/blog/a-difficult-situation/ http://sendgrid.com/blog/a-difficult-situation/

pyre 11y ago
Adria Richards as a character seems like she had a rough past and that has painted the adult she has become[1]: > Have you ever had an altercation at school and you could feel the hairs rise > up on your back?” she asked me. > “You felt fear?” I asked. > “Danger,” she said. “Clearly my body was telling me, ‘You are unsafe.’” > Which was why, she said, she “slowly stood up, rotated from my hips, and took > three photos.” She tweeted one, “with a very brief summary of what they said. > Then I sent another tweet describing my location. Right? And then the third > tweet was the [conference's] code of conduct.” > “You talked about danger," I said. "What were you imagining might...?" > “Have you ever heard that thing, men are afraid that women will laugh at them > and women are afraid that men will kill them?” she said. > I told Adria that people might consider that an overblown thing to say. She > had, after all, been in the middle of a tech conference with 800 bystanders. > “Sure,” Adria replied. “And those people would probably be white and they > would probably be male.” While she might think that it's reasonable to feel that her life is in danger because she overheard a crass/sexist joke (not directed at her) in a room filled with 800 people that happened to mostly be white/male, I think that most people don't feel that way. [1] http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/books/7933/exclusive-extract-from-jon-ronson-book-so-youve-been-publicly-shamed/ http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/books/7933/exclusive-extrac...
- HanyouHottie 11y ago
  > “Sure,” Adria replied. “And those people would probably be white and they > would probably be male.” I'd like to point out how hypocritically racist and sexist she's being here, as well as the hypocrisy of the hyper-politically-correct society in the US. Imagine if she had said black males. Oh, the outrage that would ensue. White men are people too.
  - pyre 11y ago
    The class "in power" can't make denigrating comments of the class not "in power." A good example of this would be a rich person making fun of poor people vs. a poor person making fun of rich people.

pyre 11y ago

Adria Richards as a character seems like she had a rough past and that has painted the adult she has become[1]: > Have you ever had an altercation at school and you could feel the hairs rise > up on your back?” she asked me. > “You felt fear?” I asked. > “Danger,” she said. “Clearly my body was telling me, ‘You are unsafe.’” > Which was why, she said, she “slowly stood up, rotated from my hips, and took > three photos.” She tweeted one, “with a very brief summary of what they said. > Then I sent another tweet describing my location. Right? And then the third > tweet was the [conference's] code of conduct.” > “You talked about danger," I said. "What were you imagining might...?" > “Have you ever heard that thing, men are afraid that women will laugh at them > and women are afraid that men will kill them?” she said. > I told Adria that people might consider that an overblown thing to say. She > had, after all, been in the middle of a tech conference with 800 bystanders. > “Sure,” Adria replied. “And those people would probably be white and they > would probably be male.” While she might think that it's reasonable to feel that her life is in danger because she overheard a crass/sexist joke (not directed at her) in a room filled with 800 people that happened to mostly be white/male, I think that most people don't feel that way. [1] http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/books/7933/exclusive-extract-from-jon-ronson-book-so-youve-been-publicly-shamed/ http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/books/7933/exclusive-extrac...

HanyouHottie 11y ago
> “Sure,” Adria replied. “And those people would probably be white and they > would probably be male.” I'd like to point out how hypocritically racist and sexist she's being here, as well as the hypocrisy of the hyper-politically-correct society in the US. Imagine if she had said black males. Oh, the outrage that would ensue. White men are people too.
- pyre 11y ago
  The class "in power" can't make denigrating comments of the class not "in power." A good example of this would be a rich person making fun of poor people vs. a poor person making fun of rich people.