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I just wish glossy screens were something in the past and that all new laptops had matte screens or at least an option for it. You could argue that glossy scre

I just wish glossy screens were something in the past and that all new laptops had matte screens or at least an option for it. You could argue that glossy screen gives better color representation but I can not personally stand the reflection I get on glossy screens. When I sit on a matte screen, do I think about that my colors are slightly worse? No. When I sit on a glossy screen, do I think about that my colors are slightly better? No, but I do think about the reflections all the time because sometimes I can not even see what is on my screen because of all the reflections. I have a Thinkpad with a matte IPS screen, it appears that this will be my last laptop given the trend at the moment.

IlPeach 11y ago
Can't agree with you more. I've been given a Dell XPS 13 at work and I need to get one of those anti glare screens... Lenovo did it better for sure.
joshuapants 11y ago
I agree wholeheartedly. Glossy screens have their place, and that place is as a desktop display in an area where light is controlled so there is no glare. On a mobile device they are nothing but a pain. Unfortunately, I'm uncomfortable with giving Lenovo any of my money after Superfish and all the computing technology that interests me is only available with glossy screens (Microsoft's Surface tablets are particularly cool, but I still haven't been able to take the plunge).
- ekianjo 11y ago
  > I'm uncomfortable with giving Lenovo any of my money after Superfish That Superfish thing was never for business models of laptops. Not saying you should forgive Lenovo or anything, but it did not affect every model out there.
  - joshuapants 11y ago
    Oh, I know. They just lost a lot of my trust for doing something so terrible in the first place. They may earn it back at some point, but I'm in no hurry to give them any of my money.
    - agumonkey 11y ago
      It was such a big and public mess, let's hope they'll give twice the effort to make up for it. After all, they backpedaled on the track point buttons.
- userbinator 11y ago
  I buy laptops for the hardware, not the crap software that always certainly comes with it. Anything preinstalled is of no significance, as long as I can wipe it out and install the software I want. Modifying the hardware is a far more difficult thing to do...
  - joshuapants 11y ago
    I don't disagree, when I use Thinkpads I tend to use Linux on them, and even if I didn't I would prefer a clean install of Windows. But I absolutely refuse to reward Lenovo for engaging in shady business practices. If they were willing to let such an egregiously bad piece of software on their machines, can I trust them in the future not to include hardware keyloggers or something else difficult to eliminate? As you say, modifying hardware is very difficult. Much as I love the trackpoint, matte screen, and magnesium chassis, I can get comparable specs elsewhere.
richardboegli 11y ago
I would suggest you have a look at Clevo / Metabox laptops, the 650SG has an option for a matte screen. Sharp IGZIO 15.4 3840x2160 4k / UHD / QFHD http://affordablelaptops.com.au/contents/en-us/d496_metabox-clevo-p650sg-laptop-notebook.html http://affordablelaptops.com.au/contents/en-us/d496_metabox-...
userbinator 11y ago
Agreed on the screens, and I'll add to that the trend of cut-down keyboards with missing/non-standard key arrangements and absolutely flat keys. Low key-travel to actuation is fine (and actually makes for faster typing), but there needs to be a soft "damping" stop past that to cushion and rebound the fingers, otherwise it feels excessively rough and abrupt to type on. Then again, seeing how many people just can't seem to type without looking at the keys, or barely use the keyboard at all, it's not surprising that evolution has removed the features of keyboards that don't give any advantage for them.
- dorfsmay 11y ago
  I think a lot of keyboard preferences come from habits. I'm a bit of a thinkpad addict, mainly because of the excellent track-point, but also for thier good keyboards, or so I thought: I've been using my current x220 for 4 or 5 years and cannot replace it right now. I'm a vim user and sure enough, the escape key was the first (and for now only) to go. It's completely gone, all there is instead is a piece of circuit board, but it actually works if you touch it. Well, I've been using it like this for a couple of weeks now, got used to it, and it's not as bad as I thought it would be, now I think that I could actually use a "touch" keyboard with no keys.
  - mindslight 11y ago
    I replaced my Lenovo T60 keyboard something like 5 times within the 3-year warranty period. Half the keys would stop working intermittently, and flexing the board up in the middle would make it temporarily mostly work. Also replaced the AC adapter like 6 times for insufficient strain relief (one of those times the replacement 2-prong had so much leakage current they asked me to send it to their engineering department and upgraded me to the 3-prong CE version). And lest you think I'm just into laptop sports, my previous IBM T22 had 0 keyboard and maybe 1 AC adapter replacement over its 5-year life and I was actually more mobile with it. If you get sick of your psuedotouch esc, you should be able to find a replacement X220 keyboard for maybe $40/$80 (used/new) and it's one of the easiest parts to swap. Also, I can't express how happy I'll be when this shortscreen fad is over.
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Shengbo 11y ago
This is the only thing I hate about my MBP, using it outside is a nightmare. Wearing polarized glasses do help a bit with the glare though.
jacquesm 11y ago
I got a T540P for that reason.

IlPeach 11y ago

Can't agree with you more. I've been given a Dell XPS 13 at work and I need to get one of those anti glare screens... Lenovo did it better for sure.

joshuapants 11y ago

I agree wholeheartedly. Glossy screens have their place, and that place is as a desktop display in an area where light is controlled so there is no glare. On a mobile device they are nothing but a pain. Unfortunately, I'm uncomfortable with giving Lenovo any of my money after Superfish and all the computing technology that interests me is only available with glossy screens (Microsoft's Surface tablets are particularly cool, but I still haven't been able to take the plunge).

ekianjo 11y ago
> I'm uncomfortable with giving Lenovo any of my money after Superfish That Superfish thing was never for business models of laptops. Not saying you should forgive Lenovo or anything, but it did not affect every model out there.
- joshuapants 11y ago
  Oh, I know. They just lost a lot of my trust for doing something so terrible in the first place. They may earn it back at some point, but I'm in no hurry to give them any of my money.
  - agumonkey 11y ago
    It was such a big and public mess, let's hope they'll give twice the effort to make up for it. After all, they backpedaled on the track point buttons.
userbinator 11y ago
I buy laptops for the hardware, not the crap software that always certainly comes with it. Anything preinstalled is of no significance, as long as I can wipe it out and install the software I want. Modifying the hardware is a far more difficult thing to do...
- joshuapants 11y ago
  I don't disagree, when I use Thinkpads I tend to use Linux on them, and even if I didn't I would prefer a clean install of Windows. But I absolutely refuse to reward Lenovo for engaging in shady business practices. If they were willing to let such an egregiously bad piece of software on their machines, can I trust them in the future not to include hardware keyloggers or something else difficult to eliminate? As you say, modifying hardware is very difficult. Much as I love the trackpoint, matte screen, and magnesium chassis, I can get comparable specs elsewhere.

richardboegli 11y ago

I would suggest you have a look at Clevo / Metabox laptops, the 650SG has an option for a matte screen. Sharp IGZIO 15.4 3840x2160 4k / UHD / QFHD http://affordablelaptops.com.au/contents/en-us/d496_metabox-clevo-p650sg-laptop-notebook.html http://affordablelaptops.com.au/contents/en-us/d496_metabox-...

userbinator 11y ago

Agreed on the screens, and I'll add to that the trend of cut-down keyboards with missing/non-standard key arrangements and absolutely flat keys. Low key-travel to actuation is fine (and actually makes for faster typing), but there needs to be a soft "damping" stop past that to cushion and rebound the fingers, otherwise it feels excessively rough and abrupt to type on. Then again, seeing how many people just can't seem to type without looking at the keys, or barely use the keyboard at all, it's not surprising that evolution has removed the features of keyboards that don't give any advantage for them.

dorfsmay 11y ago
I think a lot of keyboard preferences come from habits. I'm a bit of a thinkpad addict, mainly because of the excellent track-point, but also for thier good keyboards, or so I thought: I've been using my current x220 for 4 or 5 years and cannot replace it right now. I'm a vim user and sure enough, the escape key was the first (and for now only) to go. It's completely gone, all there is instead is a piece of circuit board, but it actually works if you touch it. Well, I've been using it like this for a couple of weeks now, got used to it, and it's not as bad as I thought it would be, now I think that I could actually use a "touch" keyboard with no keys.
- mindslight 11y ago
  I replaced my Lenovo T60 keyboard something like 5 times within the 3-year warranty period. Half the keys would stop working intermittently, and flexing the board up in the middle would make it temporarily mostly work. Also replaced the AC adapter like 6 times for insufficient strain relief (one of those times the replacement 2-prong had so much leakage current they asked me to send it to their engineering department and upgraded me to the 3-prong CE version). And lest you think I'm just into laptop sports, my previous IBM T22 had 0 keyboard and maybe 1 AC adapter replacement over its 5-year life and I was actually more mobile with it. If you get sick of your psuedotouch esc, you should be able to find a replacement X220 keyboard for maybe $40/$80 (used/new) and it's one of the easiest parts to swap. Also, I can't express how happy I'll be when this shortscreen fad is over.
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Shengbo 11y ago

This is the only thing I hate about my MBP, using it outside is a nightmare. Wearing polarized glasses do help a bit with the glare though.

jacquesm 11y ago

I got a T540P for that reason.