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Sounds exactly like OS X 10.10 Yosemite to me, where the promised Photos app (which really is nothing special) arrived many months later.

by ulfw 11y ago

baldfat 11y ago
But the answer is going to be that Apple Updates are free. Which is going to be the same reply for Windows 10 for the next year.
- radiorental 11y ago
  Just to clarify. MS said users of win 7 & 8 will be able to upgrade for free to win 10 within a year. I believe I read somewhere that this will be MS's last release #. It will be a rolling release from here on out. I have not seen details on how they monetize that unless they switch to Apple's HW model.
  - joshuapants 11y ago
    Microsoft has stated that most of the money they make from Windows is from selling licenses to hardware partners. Of course, they are also starting to move into an Apple-like hardware model (though of course they still allow third parties to make hardware).
    - baldfat 11y ago
      I don't see the Hardware Model at all. I think they are just wanting as many people as possible to switch to Windows 10 as fast as possible. They are doing this by giving it away for free. After the year Windows will be monotonized the same way. As someone that always builds his own comoputers I jumped on the $29.99 Windows 7 deal which they offered the first 6 months and $39.99 for Windows 8 which was good for the first three months (Off the top of my head not needed to be accurate for arguement sake) It's free for a year to upgrade and than back to business as usual.
      - joshuapants 11y ago
        > I don't see the Hardware Model at all. They sell computers and mobile phones of their own design tailored for their own OS. The only difference is that they allow third party hardware and Apple doesn't. > I think they are just wanting as many people as possible to switch to Windows 10 as fast as possible. They are doing this by giving it away for free. I agree. > After the year Windows will be monotonized the same way. This doesn't seem to be consistent with their stated goals and the direction they've been moving in. The idea is that Windows 10 is the last numbered version of Windows, after that it will be evergreen. What upgrades are there to sell?
kozukumi 11y ago
In some ways yes it is the same. However Photos isn't exactly the most important piece of software that comes with your OS. Microsoft are trying to change how people think of their web browser. Edge is very important yet they are launching it without one of the biggest features needed in a modern browser, extension support.
- veidr 11y ago
  Certainly, browser extensions are important to some people. But do you believe that more than 1% of web browser users install and use one or more browser extensions?
  - acheron 11y ago
    But do you believe that more than 1% of web browser users install and use one or more browser extensions? In 2013, this article[1] gave numbers of anywhere from 9% to 22% of users blocking ads, which requires an extension AFAIK. So, "yes". Even if those numbers are exaggerated due to skewed measurements, I'm pretty sure it's going to be more than 1%. [1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/08/21/use-of-ad-blocking-is-on-the-rise/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/08/21/use-of-ad...
  - Someone1234 11y ago
    If you include Flash and Silverlight? Uhh yes. Likely over 90% of browser users use one or more extension.
    - wlesieutre 11y ago
      Edge supports Flash already, so if that's all that 90% of people use, it won't be a problem. And it's typically categorized as a "plug-in" rather than an extension, so I wouldn't lump it in with the extension functionality. Not sure if it has Silverlight, but since we aren't streaming the 2008 Olympics and Netflix doesn't need it anymore I'm not terribly worried.
- themartorana 11y ago

Sounds exactly like OS X 10.10 Yosemite to me, where the promised Photos app (which really is nothing special) arrived many months later.

by ulfw 11y ago

Sounds exactly like OS X 10.10 Yosemite to me, where the promised Photos app (which really is nothing special) arrived many months later.

baldfat 11y ago

But the answer is going to be that Apple Updates are free. Which is going to be the same reply for Windows 10 for the next year.

radiorental 11y ago
Just to clarify. MS said users of win 7 & 8 will be able to upgrade for free to win 10 within a year. I believe I read somewhere that this will be MS's last release #. It will be a rolling release from here on out. I have not seen details on how they monetize that unless they switch to Apple's HW model.
- joshuapants 11y ago
  Microsoft has stated that most of the money they make from Windows is from selling licenses to hardware partners. Of course, they are also starting to move into an Apple-like hardware model (though of course they still allow third parties to make hardware).
  - baldfat 11y ago
    I don't see the Hardware Model at all. I think they are just wanting as many people as possible to switch to Windows 10 as fast as possible. They are doing this by giving it away for free. After the year Windows will be monotonized the same way. As someone that always builds his own comoputers I jumped on the $29.99 Windows 7 deal which they offered the first 6 months and $39.99 for Windows 8 which was good for the first three months (Off the top of my head not needed to be accurate for arguement sake) It's free for a year to upgrade and than back to business as usual.
    - joshuapants 11y ago
      > I don't see the Hardware Model at all. They sell computers and mobile phones of their own design tailored for their own OS. The only difference is that they allow third party hardware and Apple doesn't. > I think they are just wanting as many people as possible to switch to Windows 10 as fast as possible. They are doing this by giving it away for free. I agree. > After the year Windows will be monotonized the same way. This doesn't seem to be consistent with their stated goals and the direction they've been moving in. The idea is that Windows 10 is the last numbered version of Windows, after that it will be evergreen. What upgrades are there to sell?

kozukumi 11y ago

In some ways yes it is the same. However Photos isn't exactly the most important piece of software that comes with your OS. Microsoft are trying to change how people think of their web browser. Edge is very important yet they are launching it without one of the biggest features needed in a modern browser, extension support.

veidr 11y ago
Certainly, browser extensions are important to some people. But do you believe that more than 1% of web browser users install and use one or more browser extensions?
- acheron 11y ago
  But do you believe that more than 1% of web browser users install and use one or more browser extensions? In 2013, this article[1] gave numbers of anywhere from 9% to 22% of users blocking ads, which requires an extension AFAIK. So, "yes". Even if those numbers are exaggerated due to skewed measurements, I'm pretty sure it's going to be more than 1%. [1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/08/21/use-of-ad-blocking-is-on-the-rise/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/08/21/use-of-ad...
- Someone1234 11y ago
  If you include Flash and Silverlight? Uhh yes. Likely over 90% of browser users use one or more extension.
  - wlesieutre 11y ago
    Edge supports Flash already, so if that's all that 90% of people use, it won't be a problem. And it's typically categorized as a "plug-in" rather than an extension, so I wouldn't lump it in with the extension functionality. Not sure if it has Silverlight, but since we aren't streaming the 2008 Olympics and Netflix doesn't need it anymore I'm not terribly worried.
themartorana 11y ago