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> I hate abusive fucks And yet he's sitting there saying things like "[HN] is a place for men with tiny little mosquito penises". I once heard a piece of advi
by jkire 11y ago
> I hate abusive fucks
And yet he's sitting there saying things like "[HN] is a place for men with tiny little mosquito penises".
I once heard a piece of advise (by Caitlin Moran): you should never write angrily. You may be angry, but don't write angrily. People tend to react with the same emotions, if you come across angry then people will tend to respond with anger.
The guy is obviously angry and upset, but its completely masking his point. He obviously feels something is wrong with the way HN is moderated, but based solely on his tone I'm in no way inclined to a) take his point seriously and b) actually start a discussion about the way HN is moderated. If he hadn't been swearing like a sailor, gave some example comments that support his point, etc, then people would be way more inclined to actually get involved.
- icebraining 11y agoSounds like a recipe for the sterile PR speak we're surrounded by. If he's angry, why shouldn't he write angry? And the preoccupation with swearing is just puritanical nonsense.
- cookiecide 11y agoWell, there's a difference between speaking to vent and speaking to effect change. If you want to change things, speaking (or writing) angrily is usually counterproductive. If you just want to express yourself, then you can write however you please.
- riffraff 11y agobecause then instead of paying attention to what you have to say, we will pay attention to how. (As an example, consider the above sentence continued with "stupid motherfucker. I can't understand how idiotic and entitled people on the internet are this days.") There is a vast gap between sterile PR speech and "weak limp dicked little loser".
- hueving 11y ago>Sounds like a recipe for the sterile PR speak we're surrounded by. If he's angry, why shouldn't he write angry? This guy let his rage blind him so much it's hard to actually get anything of substance out of the article. I think the only real example he gave was Thomas's video. The rest was just complaints about generic behavior towards him that I haven't ever witnessed in the last 4 years I've been on this site. Also, it makes him sound incredibly stupid. The best insults he can come up with are that people have little dicks? What is this, high school? There are lots of much better insults around self-importance that you could easily sling at this crowd.
- gear54rus 11y agoI feel you. Sadly, almost no one else here does. I am yet to determine as to why, but everyone prefers smoothed-out shit to blunt truth. And the topics discussed here are not even that emotional compared to other possible alternatives. This is also said in the context of the recent 'blabla no negativity' rule.
- DanBC 11y ago"The rule is no gratuitous negativity. You can be negative, just try to at least be constructive about it" "The rule is no gratuitous negativity you stupid fuck. You can be negative, just try to be constructive". Which sentence do you think is goig to derail conversations and lead to useless but heated argument?
- gear54rus 11y agoIf people are not obsessively looking for reasons to be offended (which kind of might hint about subtle underlying psychological problems) - neither.
- DanBC 11y agoCalling someone a stupid fuck is clearly corrosive and going to derail threads. Do you really not see that? And placing the blame for that on mental health problems? That's ignorant and lazy.
- gear54rus 11y agoWhy is the premises here that everything to the last letter has to be taken seriously? I'll be damned, but there's reddit? netsec and such places. They seem to fare pretty well. Relevant rules? - Don't create unnecessary conflict. - Keep the discussion on topic. - Limit the use of jokes & memes. Places a bit of trust in people's hands instead of slapping 'lel no this, lel no that'. I can't say I blame something or someone (well maybe people introducing those rules), after all it barely affects me.
- snowwrestler 11y agoWriting angry is fine if you want to get into a fight. Writing angry is not a great tactic if you want people to stop attacking you.
- chris_wot 11y agoI dunno, because I don't have a tiny little mosquito penis?
- dragonwriter 11y ago> If he's angry, why shouldn't he write angry? Well, among other reasons, because excessive incivility and outright slander when you are accusing people of incivility and slander kind of makes it hard to take you seriously. But then again, its also kind of a repeated pattern with Zed and communities he has been involved in, so its not all that surprising. (Which, again, might be a speaker-specific reason to avoid it; instead of attracting attention to the subsequent message, it might be dismissed as "oh, so its HN's turn now, big surprise".)