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That's true, there are many legitimate reasons for women to be standing up for men in that way. Even so, a male centered movement is bound to stand up for men's

That's true, there are many legitimate reasons for women to be standing up for men in that way. Even so, a male centered movement is bound to stand up for men's rights in a more complete way, simply because then men have their own voice.

DanBC 11y ago
But they often get taken over by fucking wingnuts. Look at groups that discuss male victims of rape. This is an important subject that doesn't receive nearly enough attention - it's even acceptable to joke about male victims of rape on tv in a way that would be totally unacceptable if it were about women. But a sizable number of the groups addressing this are dominated by men who try to deny the female experience of rape (rape against women doesn't count as rape because they were drunk, or they were a friend of their rapist, or because they didn't fight, etc) or they distort sexual violence statistics to claim that more men are raped than women. Or look at groups discussing family courts. There's an unwillingness to accept that some men are abusive fathers or abusive husbands and that children or spouses need protection from those men. Family law is browen and unjust and many men are being denied their human right to a family life with their child (and ditto children their right to family lofe with father) but you need to accept one of the many reasons for that is the huge numbers of women murdered and beaten by their spouse and the large numbers of children murdered and beaten by their children.
- thsealienbstrds 11y ago
  Sorry, I think this is not an argument for denying the existence of a by-men-for-men movement. Maybe it's current incarnation is fucked up but your argument is just fatalistic thinking. Besides, feminism is not immune to crazy people either and they do real damage too.

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That's true, there are many legitimate reasons for women to be standing up for men in that way. Even so, a male centered movement is bound to stand up for men's

by thsealienbstrds 11y ago

DanBC 11y ago
But they often get taken over by fucking wingnuts. Look at groups that discuss male victims of rape. This is an important subject that doesn't receive nearly enough attention - it's even acceptable to joke about male victims of rape on tv in a way that would be totally unacceptable if it were about women. But a sizable number of the groups addressing this are dominated by men who try to deny the female experience of rape (rape against women doesn't count as rape because they were drunk, or they were a friend of their rapist, or because they didn't fight, etc) or they distort sexual violence statistics to claim that more men are raped than women. Or look at groups discussing family courts. There's an unwillingness to accept that some men are abusive fathers or abusive husbands and that children or spouses need protection from those men. Family law is browen and unjust and many men are being denied their human right to a family life with their child (and ditto children their right to family lofe with father) but you need to accept one of the many reasons for that is the huge numbers of women murdered and beaten by their spouse and the large numbers of children murdered and beaten by their children.
- thsealienbstrds 11y ago
  Sorry, I think this is not an argument for denying the existence of a by-men-for-men movement. Maybe it's current incarnation is fucked up but your argument is just fatalistic thinking. Besides, feminism is not immune to crazy people either and they do real damage too.