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An architect of lore would be one who architects (designs) lore, while an architect of yore would be an architect from days gone by. The former makes no sense i

An architect of lore would be one who architects (designs) lore, while an architect of yore would be an architect from days gone by. The former makes no sense in this context, IMO.

hyperpallium 11y ago
Could also be the naval architects who feature in lore; though naval architects are generally not prominent in myths, it's mostly warriors, kings, wizards, princesses etc. Closest I can think of is Daedalus the inventor.
- dalke 11y ago
  Indeed. My example of "engineers of lore" (which now finds my earlier comment) finds a page with "Doyle plays the whistle like engineers of lore". Other variants are "The macho, look-at-me, gun-slinging Dallas Cowboys of lore and legend", "Also, Wendell had suggested that if they were going to die in a bunker, they better be ready and depart the earth like the cowboys of lore with their boots on.", "The pirates of lore have been romanticized as dashing and daring adventurers.", "Worries of cheap labour from Eastern Europe, the Polish plumbers of lore, burgeoned with the possibility of Bulgarians and Romanians joining the ranks of those willing to work for lower wages and longer hours than the local labour force.", "Ghat (pronounced "rat" by Bastien) was a trading center for the great camel caravans of lore, bringing ivory, gold, salt, and slaves from the sub-Sahara..", and "These were the Clippers [aircraft] of lore that captured the imagination through radio shows and even movies of that era." These are examples of "X mentioned in lore" not "X who create lore", and where "lore" isn't synonymous with myths. I also found "A historic landmark and famed work of San Francisco architect of lore Willis Polk" at http://sf.curbed.com/tags/willis-polk http://sf.curbed.com/tags/willis-polk , which is an example of a building architect who features in lore.
  - hyperpallium 11y ago
    Yes, though myth is also related to romanticising, through exaggeration and emphasising universal elements. e.g. cowboys, pirates, war, police have been mythologised. Really, almost any story that stirs does so by evoking these universals. I suppose naval architecture has its own traditions, a lore of heroes, conflict, inventive solution and disaster. hmmm the tale of the Titanic is one of the most mythic events of modern times - and naval architecture is right at the center. Does programming have lore? i.e. mythic stories? Figures like Turing and Babbage certainly have mythic stature, but don't seem quite right. Maybe something descended from the telegraph operators of Edison's era. Or perhaps some science fiction characters (like DNA on asking the right question), or Murphy's Law? Perhaps we move so fast (though often reinventing unnecessarily) that lore becomes dated too quickly?
    - dalke 11y ago
      Umm, we have lots of lore in this field. "The Graphing Calculator Story" at Apple, "The Story of Mel", the entire site folklore.org, stories about Gates and the early days of Microsoft, the "IBM visiting Gary Kildall" story, the Ariane V exception, Grace Hopper and the moth stuck in a relay (and her nanosecond wire), the "Steve Jobs at Xerox" story, Stallman's description of why he started the GNU project, Torvald's first posting about Linux, the Torvalds/Tannenbaum exchange, the rumors about the CIA wanting popcount on the Cray and about the backdoor in DES, "Better is Worse", "Reflections on Trusting Trust", "Always mount a scratch monkey", anecdote collections like http://www.dodgycoder.net/2012/02/coding-tricks-of-game-developers.html http://www.dodgycoder.net/2012/02/coding-tricks-of-game-deve... . http://www.filfre.net/ http://www.filfre.net/ is going through the history of ludic games, including discussion of the lore associated with specific games. There are stories about IBM's "Black Team" ("more than one programmer was reduced to tears while having his code evaluated by the Black Team.") Tracy Kidder's "The Soul of a New Machine". Robert X. Cringely's "Accidental Empires: How the Boys of Silicon Valley Make Their Millions, Battle Foreign Competition, and Still Can't Get a Date" shouldn't be read as a history book but a collection of lore about Silicon Valley. Also, I picked "engineers" and "plumbers" to show real-world examples of non-universal elements. "Architect" is another non-universal. Regarding naval architects, there's Bushnell's Turtle, Ericsson's Monitor, and Isambard Kingdom Brunel's Great Eastern .. and that's just from my general cultural knowledge. I assume that actual naval architects have more lore.
      - hyperpallium 11y ago
        You are right. (I did at least think of Mel after writing that!) Though some of those are more industry business lore than programming lore (maybe a quibble). BTW: A universal can be an element within a story, rather than the subject. For example, anti-authoritarianism is a universal concept, and a strong theme in many of the stories. Folklore.org - how more perfect a counter to "we have no lore"? Also, reminded me of the pay-per-LoC one, and the guy who removed several thousand. This one speaks directly to a technical aspect of programming, as well as being anti-authoritarian.
        11y ago

An architect of lore would be one who architects (designs) lore, while an architect of yore would be an architect from days gone by. The former makes no sense in this context, IMO.

hyperpallium 11y ago

Could also be the naval architects who feature in lore; though naval architects are generally not prominent in myths, it's mostly warriors, kings, wizards, princesses etc. Closest I can think of is Daedalus the inventor.

dalke 11y ago
Indeed. My example of "engineers of lore" (which now finds my earlier comment) finds a page with "Doyle plays the whistle like engineers of lore". Other variants are "The macho, look-at-me, gun-slinging Dallas Cowboys of lore and legend", "Also, Wendell had suggested that if they were going to die in a bunker, they better be ready and depart the earth like the cowboys of lore with their boots on.", "The pirates of lore have been romanticized as dashing and daring adventurers.", "Worries of cheap labour from Eastern Europe, the Polish plumbers of lore, burgeoned with the possibility of Bulgarians and Romanians joining the ranks of those willing to work for lower wages and longer hours than the local labour force.", "Ghat (pronounced "rat" by Bastien) was a trading center for the great camel caravans of lore, bringing ivory, gold, salt, and slaves from the sub-Sahara..", and "These were the Clippers [aircraft] of lore that captured the imagination through radio shows and even movies of that era." These are examples of "X mentioned in lore" not "X who create lore", and where "lore" isn't synonymous with myths. I also found "A historic landmark and famed work of San Francisco architect of lore Willis Polk" at http://sf.curbed.com/tags/willis-polk http://sf.curbed.com/tags/willis-polk , which is an example of a building architect who features in lore.
- hyperpallium 11y ago
  Yes, though myth is also related to romanticising, through exaggeration and emphasising universal elements. e.g. cowboys, pirates, war, police have been mythologised. Really, almost any story that stirs does so by evoking these universals. I suppose naval architecture has its own traditions, a lore of heroes, conflict, inventive solution and disaster. hmmm the tale of the Titanic is one of the most mythic events of modern times - and naval architecture is right at the center. Does programming have lore? i.e. mythic stories? Figures like Turing and Babbage certainly have mythic stature, but don't seem quite right. Maybe something descended from the telegraph operators of Edison's era. Or perhaps some science fiction characters (like DNA on asking the right question), or Murphy's Law? Perhaps we move so fast (though often reinventing unnecessarily) that lore becomes dated too quickly?
  - dalke 11y ago
    Umm, we have lots of lore in this field. "The Graphing Calculator Story" at Apple, "The Story of Mel", the entire site folklore.org, stories about Gates and the early days of Microsoft, the "IBM visiting Gary Kildall" story, the Ariane V exception, Grace Hopper and the moth stuck in a relay (and her nanosecond wire), the "Steve Jobs at Xerox" story, Stallman's description of why he started the GNU project, Torvald's first posting about Linux, the Torvalds/Tannenbaum exchange, the rumors about the CIA wanting popcount on the Cray and about the backdoor in DES, "Better is Worse", "Reflections on Trusting Trust", "Always mount a scratch monkey", anecdote collections like http://www.dodgycoder.net/2012/02/coding-tricks-of-game-developers.html http://www.dodgycoder.net/2012/02/coding-tricks-of-game-deve... . http://www.filfre.net/ http://www.filfre.net/ is going through the history of ludic games, including discussion of the lore associated with specific games. There are stories about IBM's "Black Team" ("more than one programmer was reduced to tears while having his code evaluated by the Black Team.") Tracy Kidder's "The Soul of a New Machine". Robert X. Cringely's "Accidental Empires: How the Boys of Silicon Valley Make Their Millions, Battle Foreign Competition, and Still Can't Get a Date" shouldn't be read as a history book but a collection of lore about Silicon Valley. Also, I picked "engineers" and "plumbers" to show real-world examples of non-universal elements. "Architect" is another non-universal. Regarding naval architects, there's Bushnell's Turtle, Ericsson's Monitor, and Isambard Kingdom Brunel's Great Eastern .. and that's just from my general cultural knowledge. I assume that actual naval architects have more lore.
    - hyperpallium 11y ago
      You are right. (I did at least think of Mel after writing that!) Though some of those are more industry business lore than programming lore (maybe a quibble). BTW: A universal can be an element within a story, rather than the subject. For example, anti-authoritarianism is a universal concept, and a strong theme in many of the stories. Folklore.org - how more perfect a counter to "we have no lore"? Also, reminded me of the pay-per-LoC one, and the guy who removed several thousand. This one speaks directly to a technical aspect of programming, as well as being anti-authoritarian.
      - 11y ago