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> at least, by any sensible measure That's pure question begging.
by JackFr 11y ago
> at least, by any sensible measure
That's pure question begging.
- JoeAltmaier 11y agoReally that's pointing out a bad example, which is fair in a discussion.
- JackFr 11y agoIt's question begging because 'any sensible measure' is meant to exclude the subjective measure by which suicide bombers are valuing their own lives. The whole point is that their worldview -- what is important, what is to be valued during our brief time on earth, etc. -- is radically different than yours or mine. And yet the only argument I seem to get in favor of the worldview that (I believe) you and I largely share is "C'mon. Don't be silly.", which might be rhetorically effective, but is not evidence based. The important difference is that I am willing to accept that I believe it without proof. You see and the parent seem to need to claim it's 'scientific' and 'rational' to embrace a worldview which values life, freedom, knowledge, etc.
- JoeAltmaier 11y agoEmpirically, its obvious. Most people on the planet value these things. Societies are under selection pressure like organisms. So these things must be advantageous to societies. Clearer?
- JackFr 11y agoSo you're willing abandon good and evil in favor of selection pressure? That is to say suicide bombers aren't wrong, they're just the light-colored moths of our day?