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John Kim has very broad experience with roleplaying games, fantasy and otherwise. He certainly does not have a worldview comprised entirely or mostly of one or

John Kim has very broad experience with roleplaying games, fantasy and otherwise. He certainly does not have a worldview comprised entirely or mostly of one or two RPGs, and definitely not just D&D. Source: I'm a personal friend; we play roleplaying games together fairly often; I go to one of the several cons that he goes to regularly; I have been discussing roleplaying games with him online on-and-off going back to rec.games.frp.advocacy in the mid-late 90's.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> John Kim has very broad experience with roleplaying games, fantasy and otherwise. The completely lack of concrete ties to specific systems makes it hard to tell, but the generalizations he makes seem to be, at best, only valid of games designed to operate in a simulation-oriented manner like D&D, rather ones designed to operate in a more narrative-oriented manner (FATE, among others.) > He certainly does not have a worldview comprised entirely or mostly of one or two RPGs If not, he certainly seems to have a narrowness of understanding on the particular subject similar to what you might have of issues in programming languages when you had an experience of more than one or two languages -- but they were all statically-typed OO languages with Algol-style syntax.
- aetherson 11y ago
  Nope, sorry dude. You're just wrong in your inferences concerning the author's experiences. To my certain knowledge, John has played many games from the indie/narrativist/storygame branch of the rpg family tree. Now that that essay is dated 2006, so Fate and Apocalypse World had not risen to their current prominence. But the branch of roleplaying games precipitated by the Forge existed. Maybe you'd like to make your point without explaining what the author must have experienced?
  - Semiapies 11y ago
    "But the branch of roleplaying games precipitated by the Forge existed." And others. Every game I listed, for example. Given the author's apparent broader experience, I can't account for such a limited essay.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > You're just wrong in your inferences concerning the author's experiences. I didn't make any inferences about his experiences, I made a statement about the scope in which the generalizations he made were defensible. > Now that that essay is dated 2006, so Fate and Apocalypse World had not risen to their current prominence. Sure, I used FATE as an example that was likely to be familiar to current readers of what I was referring to, not as a specific system which the author should have addressed. Now, its possible that the author's intent was to make an argument specific to simulationist-style rules.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> John Kim has very broad experience with roleplaying games, fantasy and otherwise. The completely lack of concrete ties to specific systems makes it hard to tell, but the generalizations he makes seem to be, at best, only valid of games designed to operate in a simulation-oriented manner like D&D, rather ones designed to operate in a more narrative-oriented manner (FATE, among others.) > He certainly does not have a worldview comprised entirely or mostly of one or two RPGs If not, he certainly seems to have a narrowness of understanding on the particular subject similar to what you might have of issues in programming languages when you had an experience of more than one or two languages -- but they were all statically-typed OO languages with Algol-style syntax.

aetherson 11y ago
Nope, sorry dude. You're just wrong in your inferences concerning the author's experiences. To my certain knowledge, John has played many games from the indie/narrativist/storygame branch of the rpg family tree. Now that that essay is dated 2006, so Fate and Apocalypse World had not risen to their current prominence. But the branch of roleplaying games precipitated by the Forge existed. Maybe you'd like to make your point without explaining what the author must have experienced?
- Semiapies 11y ago
  "But the branch of roleplaying games precipitated by the Forge existed." And others. Every game I listed, for example. Given the author's apparent broader experience, I can't account for such a limited essay.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > You're just wrong in your inferences concerning the author's experiences. I didn't make any inferences about his experiences, I made a statement about the scope in which the generalizations he made were defensible. > Now that that essay is dated 2006, so Fate and Apocalypse World had not risen to their current prominence. Sure, I used FATE as an example that was likely to be familiar to current readers of what I was referring to, not as a specific system which the author should have addressed. Now, its possible that the author's intent was to make an argument specific to simulationist-style rules.