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I'm not so sure I understand the point of view that labor shortages will be such a bad thing for the economy. If you are a worker, "high labor costs" is a very

by adevine 11y ago

I'm not so sure I understand the point of view that labor shortages will be such a bad thing for the economy. If you are a worker, "high labor costs" is a very GOOD thing. For decades we've seen the value of labor fall behind the value of capital, and a more constrained labor supply might help change this.

tiatia 11y ago
Labor costs and salaries are declining at a staggering pace. Workers get squeezed between declining wages, asset price inflation (Germany has one of the lowest house ownership rates) and taxation. The the same time, hordes of young, male, aggressive and uneducated immigrants who believe that they have a superior religion, flood Germany. Run as long as you can.
- lizarazucharlie 11y ago
  Uneducated you say, strange, I live and work in Germany as a software engineer in an IT company with 25 others immigrants, there isn't a SINGLE german there...
  - tiatia 11y ago
    And you came via a boat from Africa as an illegal immigrant. Congratulations. Impressive. You must be the exception. I am an immigrant for the second time. This time in Asia. But I did not come with a boat, did not clandestine cross the boarder, do not live on other peoples tax money and I have a valid work permit. I also don't harass the local population. If I did, they would throw me out faster than a rabbit gets fucked.
    - lizarazucharlie 11y ago
      My point is without educated immigrants who pays the pension of old people, Germany would face a hard time. "I also don't harass the local population". I am pretty sure they disagree, pushing people without saying "Entschuldigung" IS a harassment. How did the people on your city, on Asian, react to your more than 10 seconds out of blue stare? Didn't they think is is a harassment too?
      - tiatia 11y ago
        I don't disagree that Germany needs skilled immigrants. But there is actually currently much less demand than some lobbyist claim and salaries are so low that mostly this is only attractive to 2nd class 3rd world immigrants. The very good ones go to the US, UK,CA or Australia immediately. Easier, much more pay. Germany had immigrant waves from countries like Iran or Afghanistan some decades ago. But this were very highly educated people that fled due to the circumstances and were able AND WILLING to adapt. The current African/Middle Eastern immigrants are not willing and probably not even able to adapt. "Harassment" was a polite correct way to speak of all the violence, rapes and sometimes murders that are committed. Do you know the country with the highest cases of rapes? It is Sweden! Guess why? Yes, must be terrible people this tall blond Swedish Vikings raping their women.... Australia solved her immigration problem by just sending the people in the boats back home. Europe can not solve the problems of the world by accepting everyone that comes. In Germany, one of the most dense populated countries, alone 300.000-400.000 a year. You can't have both. Free, unlimited immigration and social welfare. The people in Europe will have to make a decision about this. Worse, this people are not solving their problems at home when they come but they import their problems into Europe.
        selimthegrim 11y ago
        Uh, didn't feminists change the rape legislation too (cf. Assange) so that Sweden has one of the highest reporting rates in the world. I'm not ruling out what you say but you have to disentangle these things.
        tiatia 11y ago
        This may play a minor role. One of the first google links: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape (I don't know this "Institute", so take the source with a grain of salt. But all the links will more or less report similar conclusions.) Another link: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/muslim_sacralized_rape_and_feminized_sweden.html http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/muslim_sacra... Don't forget that most of these people come from very tribal regions and backgrounds. In many places where they come from, a rape of, let's say a Christian women, that walks openly dressed and unaccompanied on the street would be considered not a big thing. Many ideas the west has sound really absurd to these people. Why does Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Dubai, Emirates and so on not take these "refugees"? Based on their language, food requirements and religion this should be a much better fit. Yet, it would sound absurd to this countries letting them in and "feeding them for free'. Why? Because they are tribal systems as well.
alkonaut 11y ago
As long as it isn't global it will just mean that German industry will have to move production elsewhere and/or it will be cost effective to employ ever more expensive robots to do the work.
- minot 11y ago
  > it will be cost effective to employ ever more expensive robots to do the work That sounds like a wonderful thing. It means that the work gets done and we free up the workforce for other things. :3
- adevine 11y ago
  But it's already true that German workers are much more expensive than most other countries, yet Germany still has very low unemployment. Yes, a constrained labor supply will be problematic for everyone who is NOT a worker (most importantly, a large elderly population), but if you are a worker, it's almost always a good thing.

by adevine 11y ago

tiatia 11y ago

Labor costs and salaries are declining at a staggering pace. Workers get squeezed between declining wages, asset price inflation (Germany has one of the lowest house ownership rates) and taxation. The the same time, hordes of young, male, aggressive and uneducated immigrants who believe that they have a superior religion, flood Germany. Run as long as you can.

lizarazucharlie 11y ago
Uneducated you say, strange, I live and work in Germany as a software engineer in an IT company with 25 others immigrants, there isn't a SINGLE german there...
- tiatia 11y ago
  And you came via a boat from Africa as an illegal immigrant. Congratulations. Impressive. You must be the exception. I am an immigrant for the second time. This time in Asia. But I did not come with a boat, did not clandestine cross the boarder, do not live on other peoples tax money and I have a valid work permit. I also don't harass the local population. If I did, they would throw me out faster than a rabbit gets fucked.
  - lizarazucharlie 11y ago
    My point is without educated immigrants who pays the pension of old people, Germany would face a hard time. "I also don't harass the local population". I am pretty sure they disagree, pushing people without saying "Entschuldigung" IS a harassment. How did the people on your city, on Asian, react to your more than 10 seconds out of blue stare? Didn't they think is is a harassment too?
    - tiatia 11y ago
      I don't disagree that Germany needs skilled immigrants. But there is actually currently much less demand than some lobbyist claim and salaries are so low that mostly this is only attractive to 2nd class 3rd world immigrants. The very good ones go to the US, UK,CA or Australia immediately. Easier, much more pay. Germany had immigrant waves from countries like Iran or Afghanistan some decades ago. But this were very highly educated people that fled due to the circumstances and were able AND WILLING to adapt. The current African/Middle Eastern immigrants are not willing and probably not even able to adapt. "Harassment" was a polite correct way to speak of all the violence, rapes and sometimes murders that are committed. Do you know the country with the highest cases of rapes? It is Sweden! Guess why? Yes, must be terrible people this tall blond Swedish Vikings raping their women.... Australia solved her immigration problem by just sending the people in the boats back home. Europe can not solve the problems of the world by accepting everyone that comes. In Germany, one of the most dense populated countries, alone 300.000-400.000 a year. You can't have both. Free, unlimited immigration and social welfare. The people in Europe will have to make a decision about this. Worse, this people are not solving their problems at home when they come but they import their problems into Europe.
      - selimthegrim 11y ago
        Uh, didn't feminists change the rape legislation too (cf. Assange) so that Sweden has one of the highest reporting rates in the world. I'm not ruling out what you say but you have to disentangle these things.
        tiatia 11y ago
        This may play a minor role. One of the first google links: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape (I don't know this "Institute", so take the source with a grain of salt. But all the links will more or less report similar conclusions.) Another link: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/muslim_sacralized_rape_and_feminized_sweden.html http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/muslim_sacra... Don't forget that most of these people come from very tribal regions and backgrounds. In many places where they come from, a rape of, let's say a Christian women, that walks openly dressed and unaccompanied on the street would be considered not a big thing. Many ideas the west has sound really absurd to these people. Why does Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Dubai, Emirates and so on not take these "refugees"? Based on their language, food requirements and religion this should be a much better fit. Yet, it would sound absurd to this countries letting them in and "feeding them for free'. Why? Because they are tribal systems as well.

alkonaut 11y ago

As long as it isn't global it will just mean that German industry will have to move production elsewhere and/or it will be cost effective to employ ever more expensive robots to do the work.

minot 11y ago
> it will be cost effective to employ ever more expensive robots to do the work That sounds like a wonderful thing. It means that the work gets done and we free up the workforce for other things. :3
adevine 11y ago
But it's already true that German workers are much more expensive than most other countries, yet Germany still has very low unemployment. Yes, a constrained labor supply will be problematic for everyone who is NOT a worker (most importantly, a large elderly population), but if you are a worker, it's almost always a good thing.