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Little John, Maid Marion, Robin Hood, The Sherriff > Men: Perhaps you tend to idealize women and credit them with virtues they don't possess. Swap Maid Marion

Little John, Maid Marion, Robin Hood, The Sherriff > Men: Perhaps you tend to idealize women and credit them with virtues they don't possess. Swap Maid Marion and Robin Hood: > Men: You are sexually inhibited with an underlying distrust of women. This is crap. It seems putting Maid Marion in the top half means you credit women too much, and putting her in the bottom half means you discredit her too much.

mckee 11y ago
Click through to the full answer list. Most seem to result in insults to one's personal character.
- perfTerm 11y ago
  I'm sure this is all pseudo science, but maybe some of it's worth a little introspection instead of outright dismissal because it's not what people want to hear. I was actually very pleasantly surprised in that, unlike most "personality tests", there were negative insinuations about some of the orderings. Most of these tests pander to you and tell you what you want to hear, this one out and plainly said "you have some thinking to do..."
perfTerm 11y ago
That didn't happen for me. I did Maid Marion, Little John, The sheriff, Robin hood and the answer was about spot on. If I switched LJ and MM it was okay. Although I tend to think of myself as adventurous. I can't even conceive of putting MM after RH though. Assuming no preconceived notions he just acted like a total jerk.
- Avshalom 11y ago
  Well we can't assume no preconceived notions. We have to assume that everybody is their story books self otherwise RH and LJ might be in prison for putting babies in burlap sack and beating them against rocks. But then if we assume that RH behavior seems entirely out of character.
  - perfTerm 11y ago
    The test tells you to abandon all preconceived notions, if you act as if RH is the great thief robbing the rich and giving to the poor, you're doing it wrong.
    - qbrass 11y ago
      They shouldn't have introduced the bias in the first place and used generic names.
Bulk70 11y ago
http://www.talisman.org/cgi-bin/robin-hood-morality?all=true http://www.talisman.org/cgi-bin/robin-hood-morality?all=true - I see hardly any with her in the top half that say or imply this?
staunch 11y ago
Swapping those positions is morally equivalent because there's not enough information to judge between them decisively.
- perfTerm 11y ago
  Swapping MM who sacrificed her night to save her lover and confessed honestly to him after with the abuser is the same in your book?? I just don't understand
  - staunch 11y ago
    I quickly interpreted "abuse" as "shouting abuse", but if it meant that he hurt her physically, that brings him way down obviously. You have to assume a lot to make any judgement at all, which was my point. One point of view not many share, but I do at some level, is that none of these people are guilty of anything more than being who they are, which they had no control over. In those terms, they're all morally equal and deserve unconditional compassion.
vinceguidry 11y ago
The first two spots are fairly easy decisions to make. Little John had the hardest choice to make, and Maid Marion the second hardest. Both chose rightly. Your proposed swap is really weird, placing Little John above Robin Hood but Robin Hood above Maid Marion. It indicates that you accepted that Little John is the real mensch in this situation, yet identify with Robin Hood's caddish behavior anyway. The real decision here is whether Robin Hood is more honorable than the Sheriff. Ultimately the Sheriff was more honest to his baser desires, whereas Robin became irrationally controlling when confronted with a difficult situation. If you thought Little John should have gotten the prize, then to be consistent, you have to put Robin in the loser's spot. Robin Hood chose wrongly when confronted with a moral dilemma in a way that traumatized the very person responsible for his freedom. Giving Robin more credit than he deserves indicates that you identify with the feelings he had. They're the feelings of sexual inadequacy and possessiveness.
- dietrichepp 11y ago
  > Giving Robin more credit than he deserves indicates that you identify with the feelings he had. This is exactly the kind of information which you can't glean from rankings.
  - vinceguidry 11y ago
    I disagree. I think the way the quiz is set up and the question being asked, "who is the most moral / honest," means that's exactly the sort of information this is teasing out. The quiz sets up a highly emotionally charged situation that a lot of people are going to make snap judgments about. The first couple of ranking decisions made are going to reflect those snap judgments. The neat thing about the ranking process is that it forces you to think beyond the snap judgments and consider the relative morality of all the characters. It asks you to do this while your guard is down, i.e. if they just asked you the relevant questions about your moral leanings, you wouldn't necessarily give the ones you are really operating on subconsciously. The other neat thing is the ambiguity of the situation given. You don't know the character's histories, you don't know why the sheriff locked them up, the whole thing is set up so you read those details into the situation. What you read into it will certainly affect your rankings. For example, an unassuming reader won't snap to the judgment that the sheriff forced Maid Marion to have sex with her.

mckee 11y ago

Click through to the full answer list. Most seem to result in insults to one's personal character.

perfTerm 11y ago
I'm sure this is all pseudo science, but maybe some of it's worth a little introspection instead of outright dismissal because it's not what people want to hear. I was actually very pleasantly surprised in that, unlike most "personality tests", there were negative insinuations about some of the orderings. Most of these tests pander to you and tell you what you want to hear, this one out and plainly said "you have some thinking to do..."

perfTerm 11y ago

That didn't happen for me. I did Maid Marion, Little John, The sheriff, Robin hood and the answer was about spot on. If I switched LJ and MM it was okay. Although I tend to think of myself as adventurous. I can't even conceive of putting MM after RH though. Assuming no preconceived notions he just acted like a total jerk.

Avshalom 11y ago
Well we can't assume no preconceived notions. We have to assume that everybody is their story books self otherwise RH and LJ might be in prison for putting babies in burlap sack and beating them against rocks. But then if we assume that RH behavior seems entirely out of character.
- perfTerm 11y ago
  The test tells you to abandon all preconceived notions, if you act as if RH is the great thief robbing the rich and giving to the poor, you're doing it wrong.
  - qbrass 11y ago
    They shouldn't have introduced the bias in the first place and used generic names.

Bulk70 11y ago

http://www.talisman.org/cgi-bin/robin-hood-morality?all=true http://www.talisman.org/cgi-bin/robin-hood-morality?all=true - I see hardly any with her in the top half that say or imply this?

staunch 11y ago

Swapping those positions is morally equivalent because there's not enough information to judge between them decisively.

perfTerm 11y ago
Swapping MM who sacrificed her night to save her lover and confessed honestly to him after with the abuser is the same in your book?? I just don't understand
- staunch 11y ago
  I quickly interpreted "abuse" as "shouting abuse", but if it meant that he hurt her physically, that brings him way down obviously. You have to assume a lot to make any judgement at all, which was my point. One point of view not many share, but I do at some level, is that none of these people are guilty of anything more than being who they are, which they had no control over. In those terms, they're all morally equal and deserve unconditional compassion.

vinceguidry 11y ago

The first two spots are fairly easy decisions to make. Little John had the hardest choice to make, and Maid Marion the second hardest. Both chose rightly. Your proposed swap is really weird, placing Little John above Robin Hood but Robin Hood above Maid Marion. It indicates that you accepted that Little John is the real mensch in this situation, yet identify with Robin Hood's caddish behavior anyway. The real decision here is whether Robin Hood is more honorable than the Sheriff. Ultimately the Sheriff was more honest to his baser desires, whereas Robin became irrationally controlling when confronted with a difficult situation. If you thought Little John should have gotten the prize, then to be consistent, you have to put Robin in the loser's spot. Robin Hood chose wrongly when confronted with a moral dilemma in a way that traumatized the very person responsible for his freedom. Giving Robin more credit than he deserves indicates that you identify with the feelings he had. They're the feelings of sexual inadequacy and possessiveness.

dietrichepp 11y ago
> Giving Robin more credit than he deserves indicates that you identify with the feelings he had. This is exactly the kind of information which you can't glean from rankings.
- vinceguidry 11y ago
  I disagree. I think the way the quiz is set up and the question being asked, "who is the most moral / honest," means that's exactly the sort of information this is teasing out. The quiz sets up a highly emotionally charged situation that a lot of people are going to make snap judgments about. The first couple of ranking decisions made are going to reflect those snap judgments. The neat thing about the ranking process is that it forces you to think beyond the snap judgments and consider the relative morality of all the characters. It asks you to do this while your guard is down, i.e. if they just asked you the relevant questions about your moral leanings, you wouldn't necessarily give the ones you are really operating on subconsciously. The other neat thing is the ambiguity of the situation given. You don't know the character's histories, you don't know why the sheriff locked them up, the whole thing is set up so you read those details into the situation. What you read into it will certainly affect your rankings. For example, an unassuming reader won't snap to the judgment that the sheriff forced Maid Marion to have sex with her.