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> After all, even I know nutrition isn't found in steaks, fish tacos...glasses of milk This statement has no factual basis. Please cite a source for this claim

> After all, even I know nutrition isn't found in steaks, fish tacos...glasses of milk This statement has no factual basis. Please cite a source for this claim. > there is no shortage of protein in a proper plant based diet. This is probably true, but I would question whether most vegans get enough protein. Have you tracked your nutritional macros? What do your numbers look like? > Many are presumably ignorant alltogether. You extrapolated your take away from a single encounter during which you did not engage the doctor about her opinions to cover the entire medical profession?

bunderbunder 11y ago
It's really pretty easy to get enough protein. The typical American consumes 50-100% more protein than the recommended intake, so most of us are working from an incorrect baseline when trying to come up with an intuitive idea of how much protein is needed. And the animal products that vegans don't eat aren't just a big gap in the grocery budget; they need to be replaced with other foodstuffs. Despite common stereotypes that's typically not going to mean mountains of rabbit food because that's a horrendously expensive way to get your calories and it's not very filling either. More likely you'll see staple products like legumes, and those also tend to be relatively high in protein. edit: Curious why the downvote. If someone feels I'm giving really bad nutritional advice here, then it would be MUCH better to provide a response that explains where I'm wrong. A downvote and no reply is pretty useless in this situation; it lets me know someone disagrees but otherwise does everyone else a huge disservice by allowing the bad information to remain unchallenged.
- Thriptic 11y ago
  > The typical American consumes 50-100% more protein than the recommended intake Show me the data. Most people I see are eating carb heavy diets and not much protein. Until you track your macros over tme, you have no idea if you're eating enough protein each day
  - bunderbunder 11y ago
    Just wanted to point out here that I'm talking population statistics and you're talking anecdotes. As they say, the plural of anecdotes is not data. That said, if you'd like some data how about the CDC? http://nchstats.com/2010/03/03/adults’-daily-protein-intake-much-more-than-recommended/ http://nchstats.com/2010/03/03/adults’-daily-protein-intake-...
    - Thriptic 11y ago
      Interesting. Protein requirements will obviously vary based on size and weight, but I agree it's definitely possible to hit those numbers on a vegan diet.
- kansface 11y ago
  Per the guidelines: |Resist commenting about being downvoted. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
  - bunderbunder 11y ago
    That's a guideline I disagree with pretty strongly. For my part, I'd say downvoting usually doesn't do any good. There's not much that's edifying to communicating to someone that you don't like what they said. But there's a lot of value in communicating to someone why you don't like what they said. The downvote's a feature that really needs to be removed from sites like HN. Keep the upvote; that does something constructive. But the downvote has an almost strictly adverse impact on the quality of discourse, and for that reason alone I'm more than happy to use opportunities to encourage people to use their talking words.

bunderbunder 11y ago

It's really pretty easy to get enough protein. The typical American consumes 50-100% more protein than the recommended intake, so most of us are working from an incorrect baseline when trying to come up with an intuitive idea of how much protein is needed. And the animal products that vegans don't eat aren't just a big gap in the grocery budget; they need to be replaced with other foodstuffs. Despite common stereotypes that's typically not going to mean mountains of rabbit food because that's a horrendously expensive way to get your calories and it's not very filling either. More likely you'll see staple products like legumes, and those also tend to be relatively high in protein. edit: Curious why the downvote. If someone feels I'm giving really bad nutritional advice here, then it would be MUCH better to provide a response that explains where I'm wrong. A downvote and no reply is pretty useless in this situation; it lets me know someone disagrees but otherwise does everyone else a huge disservice by allowing the bad information to remain unchallenged.

Thriptic 11y ago
> The typical American consumes 50-100% more protein than the recommended intake Show me the data. Most people I see are eating carb heavy diets and not much protein. Until you track your macros over tme, you have no idea if you're eating enough protein each day
- bunderbunder 11y ago
  Just wanted to point out here that I'm talking population statistics and you're talking anecdotes. As they say, the plural of anecdotes is not data. That said, if you'd like some data how about the CDC? http://nchstats.com/2010/03/03/adults’-daily-protein-intake-much-more-than-recommended/ http://nchstats.com/2010/03/03/adults’-daily-protein-intake-...
  - Thriptic 11y ago
    Interesting. Protein requirements will obviously vary based on size and weight, but I agree it's definitely possible to hit those numbers on a vegan diet.
kansface 11y ago
Per the guidelines: |Resist commenting about being downvoted. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
- bunderbunder 11y ago
  That's a guideline I disagree with pretty strongly. For my part, I'd say downvoting usually doesn't do any good. There's not much that's edifying to communicating to someone that you don't like what they said. But there's a lot of value in communicating to someone why you don't like what they said. The downvote's a feature that really needs to be removed from sites like HN. Keep the upvote; that does something constructive. But the downvote has an almost strictly adverse impact on the quality of discourse, and for that reason alone I'm more than happy to use opportunities to encourage people to use their talking words.