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How do you know LSD is mostly harmless?

by hebdo 11y ago

shit_parade2 11y ago
At least physically it one the safest known chemicals when comparing the amount needed to notice an effect and the LD50 rating.
- hebdo 11y ago
  Well yes, you are right. But just the fact that something is difficult to overdose does not imply long-term safety of use. And as far as I know there are know connections between certain psychiatric issues and LSD usage. This is why I do not believe that "LSD is basically harmless".
  - shit_parade2 11y ago
    Any credible studies to link? The LD50 was extensively document, your claim is essentially vodoo.
    - Adlai 11y ago
      http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0063972 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... Conclusion: We did not find use of psychedelics to be an independent risk factor for mental health problems.
    - hebdo 11y ago
      Yes, of course. I just thought that flashbacks and other LSD complications are common knowledge. Take a look at this Wikipedia section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Adverse_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Adv...
      - jabscam2013 11y ago
        You're an idiot. Flashbacks are not a real thing. Pretty much every negative effect of LSD is exaggerated or based on biased reports by the government to justify making anything that gets you high illegal. An LSD 'flashback' is more like deja vu, like "Wow this is really similar to something I've experienced before", not like you just randomly go back into a full on trip. If you're schizophrenic you probably shouldn't take LSD, sure. But if you have heart palpitations you probably shouldn't drink Red Bull. People should be responsible for their own decisions, not you or the government or anyone else.
        foobar2020 11y ago
        An idiot is "an intellectually disabled person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way". Does not seem to fit the definition.
        pekk 11y ago
        Right. PTSD flashbacks are a real thing, though.
        jabscam2013 11y ago
        How nice of the government to protect me from the minute possibility that a bad acid trip will give me PTSD. If only they cared as much about all the young kids they send over to the Middle East.
      - my-bullshit-job 11y ago
        Flashbacks are common myths.
  - wz1000 11y ago
    It is harmless compared to many other substances, including aspirin and acetaminophen. Pretty much everything when taken in excessive quantities is harmful.
thucydides 11y ago
A few years ago, David Nutt and other drug experts rated the relative harms of drugs and found LSD was among the least harmful. These were the evaluation criteria: drug-specific and drug-related mortality, drug-specific and drug-related damage, dependence, drug-specific and drug-related impairment of mental functioning, loss of tangibles, loss of relationships, injury, crime, environmental damage, family adversities, international damage, economic cost, and community harm. Infographic: http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/20101106_WOC504_0.gif http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/or... Original study: Drug harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis http://www.sg.unimaas.nl/_old/oudelezingen/dddsd.pdf http://www.sg.unimaas.nl/_old/oudelezingen/dddsd.pdf
psykovsky 11y ago
I could tell you a story... that at least corroborates that statement... but you wouldn't believe me anyway.
logfromblammo 11y ago
I read the _Illuminatus!_ trilogy, and wondered if AUM could possibly be made real from a combination of already-known drugs. Following my curiosity taught me a great deal about natural and synthetic psychoactive drugs, and some of what I learned was not completely bogus. As a result of my "research", LSD remains one of the few recreational drugs that I might ever consider trying in the future, given the correct circumstances. It is certainly less harmful than nicotine, ethanol, and acetaminophen. But now that marijuana is legal in some states, I expect that it will soon displace LSD-25 as the least harmful recreational drug that I know about. If you are also curious, my conclusion was that LSD-25 is probably present in AUM at a psychoactive, but non-hallucinogenic, dose, mostly as an adjuvant for the other ingredients. It would help bridge the gap between a drug known to have powerful, positive, short-term effects and one known to cause long-term but very unpredictable changes in behavior.

How do you know LSD is mostly harmless?

by hebdo 11y ago

How do you know LSD is mostly harmless?

At least physically it one the safest known chemicals when comparing the amount needed to notice an effect and the LD50 rating.

hebdo 11y ago
Well yes, you are right. But just the fact that something is difficult to overdose does not imply long-term safety of use. And as far as I know there are know connections between certain psychiatric issues and LSD usage. This is why I do not believe that "LSD is basically harmless".
- shit_parade2 11y ago
  Any credible studies to link? The LD50 was extensively document, your claim is essentially vodoo.
  - Adlai 11y ago
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0063972 http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.... Conclusion: We did not find use of psychedelics to be an independent risk factor for mental health problems.
  - hebdo 11y ago
    Yes, of course. I just thought that flashbacks and other LSD complications are common knowledge. Take a look at this Wikipedia section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Adverse_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Adv...
    - jabscam2013 11y ago
      You're an idiot. Flashbacks are not a real thing. Pretty much every negative effect of LSD is exaggerated or based on biased reports by the government to justify making anything that gets you high illegal. An LSD 'flashback' is more like deja vu, like "Wow this is really similar to something I've experienced before", not like you just randomly go back into a full on trip. If you're schizophrenic you probably shouldn't take LSD, sure. But if you have heart palpitations you probably shouldn't drink Red Bull. People should be responsible for their own decisions, not you or the government or anyone else.
      - foobar2020 11y ago
        An idiot is "an intellectually disabled person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way". Does not seem to fit the definition.
      - pekk 11y ago
        Right. PTSD flashbacks are a real thing, though.
        jabscam2013 11y ago
        How nice of the government to protect me from the minute possibility that a bad acid trip will give me PTSD. If only they cared as much about all the young kids they send over to the Middle East.
    - my-bullshit-job 11y ago
      Flashbacks are common myths.
- wz1000 11y ago
  It is harmless compared to many other substances, including aspirin and acetaminophen. Pretty much everything when taken in excessive quantities is harmful.

thucydides 11y ago

A few years ago, David Nutt and other drug experts rated the relative harms of drugs and found LSD was among the least harmful. These were the evaluation criteria: drug-specific and drug-related mortality, drug-specific and drug-related damage, dependence, drug-specific and drug-related impairment of mental functioning, loss of tangibles, loss of relationships, injury, crime, environmental damage, family adversities, international damage, economic cost, and community harm. Infographic: http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/20101106_WOC504_0.gif http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/or... Original study: Drug harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis http://www.sg.unimaas.nl/_old/oudelezingen/dddsd.pdf http://www.sg.unimaas.nl/_old/oudelezingen/dddsd.pdf

psykovsky 11y ago

I could tell you a story... that at least corroborates that statement... but you wouldn't believe me anyway.

logfromblammo 11y ago

I read the _Illuminatus!_ trilogy, and wondered if AUM could possibly be made real from a combination of already-known drugs. Following my curiosity taught me a great deal about natural and synthetic psychoactive drugs, and some of what I learned was not completely bogus. As a result of my "research", LSD remains one of the few recreational drugs that I might ever consider trying in the future, given the correct circumstances. It is certainly less harmful than nicotine, ethanol, and acetaminophen. But now that marijuana is legal in some states, I expect that it will soon displace LSD-25 as the least harmful recreational drug that I know about. If you are also curious, my conclusion was that LSD-25 is probably present in AUM at a psychoactive, but non-hallucinogenic, dose, mostly as an adjuvant for the other ingredients. It would help bridge the gap between a drug known to have powerful, positive, short-term effects and one known to cause long-term but very unpredictable changes in behavior.