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He allegedly hired someone to kill multiple people, by the way. http://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-boss-ordering-5-assassinations/ http://

He allegedly hired someone to kill multiple people, by the way. http://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-boss-ordering-5-assassinations/ http://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-boss... I agree with you that drug trafficking is way overprosecuted, but...

izacus 11y ago
So alleged hearsay is now enough to raise the sentence to a life in prison in US? O.o
- BoardsOfCanada 11y ago
  It's just amazing to me how just alleging something by press release then withdrawing the allegation from the trial is enough to sentence somebody in the mind of the public. Just look at how people here are voting.
  - mpyne 11y ago
    It's amazing to me how people can be pointed to literally where in a charging document you can find where the government actually included murder-for-hire as part of the charges against Ulbricht and yet "people here" can still manage to avoid seeing it...
    - diyorgasms 11y ago
      Except presumption of innocence is supposed to be a cornerstone of the american justice system. Until that he hired a killer is proven in a criminal court, we all ought to refrain from making the assumption that such accusations in any way reflect the truth of the matter.
      - mpyne 11y ago
        His complicity in murder-for-hire was part of Count One of the indictment. The jury convicted him on all Counts. Ergo, his involvement in murder-for-hire has been proven in a criminal court, and I will feel free to repeat that fact ad nauseum.
copsarebastards 11y ago
Hey everybody, icelander hired someone to kill multiple people. Hey icelander, now you, too have allegedly hired someone to kill multiple people.
- icelancer 11y ago
  >Hey everybody, icelander hired someone to kill multiple people. Better find that icelander guy. What a jerk. (Probably should read my username a bit closer next time.)
- srdev 11y ago
  Do you have a journal proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have been written by icelancer that includes them discussing how they paid to have a person killed? And did you also confirm that the payment for that supposed hit was transferred? Because these facts were shown at Ross's trial. Its alleged because he hasn't yet been specifically convicted on these charges, which are still pending in Maryland.
  - copsarebastards 11y ago
    Do you have a journal proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have been written by Ross Ulbricht that includes them discussing how they paid to have a person killed? Because a jury has yet to decide whether the government has such a thing, too. My point is, we haven't seen the evidence, a jury hasn't decided about the evidence, why are we talking about this? We can't pretend that Ulbricht's sentence for drug trafficking was fair because of his charges for violent crimes, because the charges for violent crimes have yet to complete. This sentencing happened in a court of law, where speculation about the result of different court cases is as valuable as some dude on the internet saying icelander killed people.
    - srdev 11y ago
      > Do you have a journal proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have been written by Ross Ulbricht that includes them discussing how they paid to have a person killed? Yes. That was literally a critical piece of evidence at the trial. The defense tried to claim that it wasn't Ulbricht's and failed. Take a look at the post I'm responding to here. A lot of people in this thread are acting like the murder for hire thing is just some crazy rumor when there is a really compelling body of evidence behind it. Reasonable people can disagree on whether it should be a factor in the sentencing in the drug trial, but to act like there isn't a very high probability of Ross having attempted murder is.. Well it's not reasonable.
nazgul1 11y ago
What is really interesting about this transcript is the people are named in full, with some addresses and other details (married, etc.) The hits, I'm assuming, were fake because the contact was undercover, but what happened with the targets? Did the one threatening him have to play along and no longer send the threatening e-mails once the undercover told him the job was done? Were they prosecuted in any way?
- vectorpush 11y ago
  http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/how-the-feds-staged-torture-murder-of-a-silk-road-staffer/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/how-the-feds-stag... They staged torture and murder to satiate Ulbricht's need to clean up loose ends.

izacus 11y ago

So alleged hearsay is now enough to raise the sentence to a life in prison in US? O.o

BoardsOfCanada 11y ago
It's just amazing to me how just alleging something by press release then withdrawing the allegation from the trial is enough to sentence somebody in the mind of the public. Just look at how people here are voting.
- mpyne 11y ago
  It's amazing to me how people can be pointed to literally where in a charging document you can find where the government actually included murder-for-hire as part of the charges against Ulbricht and yet "people here" can still manage to avoid seeing it...
  - diyorgasms 11y ago
    Except presumption of innocence is supposed to be a cornerstone of the american justice system. Until that he hired a killer is proven in a criminal court, we all ought to refrain from making the assumption that such accusations in any way reflect the truth of the matter.
    - mpyne 11y ago
      His complicity in murder-for-hire was part of Count One of the indictment. The jury convicted him on all Counts. Ergo, his involvement in murder-for-hire has been proven in a criminal court, and I will feel free to repeat that fact ad nauseum.

copsarebastards 11y ago

Hey everybody, icelander hired someone to kill multiple people. Hey icelander, now you, too have allegedly hired someone to kill multiple people.

icelancer 11y ago
>Hey everybody, icelander hired someone to kill multiple people. Better find that icelander guy. What a jerk. (Probably should read my username a bit closer next time.)
srdev 11y ago
Do you have a journal proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have been written by icelancer that includes them discussing how they paid to have a person killed? And did you also confirm that the payment for that supposed hit was transferred? Because these facts were shown at Ross's trial. Its alleged because he hasn't yet been specifically convicted on these charges, which are still pending in Maryland.
- copsarebastards 11y ago
  Do you have a journal proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have been written by Ross Ulbricht that includes them discussing how they paid to have a person killed? Because a jury has yet to decide whether the government has such a thing, too. My point is, we haven't seen the evidence, a jury hasn't decided about the evidence, why are we talking about this? We can't pretend that Ulbricht's sentence for drug trafficking was fair because of his charges for violent crimes, because the charges for violent crimes have yet to complete. This sentencing happened in a court of law, where speculation about the result of different court cases is as valuable as some dude on the internet saying icelander killed people.
  - srdev 11y ago
    > Do you have a journal proven beyond a reasonable doubt to have been written by Ross Ulbricht that includes them discussing how they paid to have a person killed? Yes. That was literally a critical piece of evidence at the trial. The defense tried to claim that it wasn't Ulbricht's and failed. Take a look at the post I'm responding to here. A lot of people in this thread are acting like the murder for hire thing is just some crazy rumor when there is a really compelling body of evidence behind it. Reasonable people can disagree on whether it should be a factor in the sentencing in the drug trial, but to act like there isn't a very high probability of Ross having attempted murder is.. Well it's not reasonable.

nazgul1 11y ago

What is really interesting about this transcript is the people are named in full, with some addresses and other details (married, etc.) The hits, I'm assuming, were fake because the contact was undercover, but what happened with the targets? Did the one threatening him have to play along and no longer send the threatening e-mails once the undercover told him the job was done? Were they prosecuted in any way?

vectorpush 11y ago
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/how-the-feds-staged-torture-murder-of-a-silk-road-staffer/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/how-the-feds-stag... They staged torture and murder to satiate Ulbricht's need to clean up loose ends.