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The frightening part really is that no actual profitable business wants their labor for free. So they must provide their labor for free to a fake business. Tha
by maratd 11y ago
The frightening part really is that no actual profitable business wants their labor for free. So they must provide their labor for free to a fake business.
That's insane. That means in all probability, their labor is a negative for any employer even if it comes at no cost.
My guess is that this is a result of idiotic labor laws and tax practices.
- rsynnott 11y ago> The frightening part really is that no actual profitable business wants their labor for free. Accepting labour for free is illegal basically everywhere in the developed world, and for good reason.
- dasmoth 11y agoWould you care to explain those reasons?
- abrugsch 11y agoDefine: Slavery
- nkassis 11y agoSlavery requires coercion. If it's by choice it's different but there are other laws under which this falls that prevent it to avoid abuse. For example in the US, you cannot employ a intern for free that does work your company might profit from (not a lawyer so I might have that slightly skewed).
- dasmoth 11y agoSlavery seems to go rather beyond accepting unpaid labour.
- dragonwriter 11y agoThat's not necessarily completely inaccurate, but terse to the point of opacity: the problem posed by unpaid labor in support of for-profit efforts is that if it is allowed, it is very easy for it to become a necessary prerequisite (e.g., as something you need to have to be considered) for paid labor in the same industry, which, if it expands to many industry, makes it potentially a matter of economic coercion to accept unpaid jobs as a means of gaining potential (but not guaranteed) access to paid jobs.
- redblacktree 11y agoHow do you account for unpaid interns?
- dllthomas 11y agoThey are frequently illegal unless the company is paying them in experience, expending at least as much time/effort/resources as if they were doing the task directly. And people sometimes break the law.
- dragonwriter 11y agoUnpaid interns are often illegal if they are doing productive work for the benefit of a for-profit firm. For instance, in the US, according to the Department of Labor [0], for an "internship" not to be an employment relationship subject to the FLSA, including minimum wage provisions, one of the criteria that must be met is: "The employer that provides the training derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the intern; and on occasion its operations may actually be impeded" [0] http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs71.htm http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs71.htm
- kokey 11y agoThe people who write these laws in developed countries accept free labour from interns.
- rsynnott 11y agoUnpaid internships must provide education/training; otherwise they are typically illegal.
- stephengillie 11y agoNo, it's not. It's called volunteering.
- rsynnott 11y agoAnd if you're a non-profit, you can accept volunteers. In most developed countries, if you're for-profit, and you have "volunteers", you will be in trouble over labour law, and likely tax evasion.
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