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Would it be legal for these people to start a real business in that office? Even if it's something like knitting a jersey and then spending the next week trying
by RyanZAG 11y ago
Would it be legal for these people to start a real business in that office? Even if it's something like knitting a jersey and then spending the next week trying to sell it for 10 bucks, at least they'd be 10 bucks richer than spending all that effort doing nothing.
It's not like they don't have time or resources to run a business - they're running a fake one.
- fab13n 11y agoIt wouldn't be training anymore, so they'd lose their unemployment benefits. There should be a gentler ramp-up from unemployment benefits to sustainable business, but there isn't so as of today the practical answer to your question is "no, it's not legal".
- k-mcgrady 11y ago>> "There should be a gentler ramp-up from unemployment benefits to sustainable business" There is. In the UK you can work up to 16 hours per week while on unemployment benefits. If self-employed you also don't have to pay national insurance until your profit exceeds a certain level.
- deepnet 11y agoIn theory yes. In practice the UK poverty trap is very real and crushing to the entrepreneurship of the economically disenfranchised.
- dllthomas 11y agoI've been wondering if it wouldn't make sense to help businesses with a portion of the salary of people who have been out of work for a long stretch of time, to offset the cost of retraining.
- weddpros 11y agoI'm ashamed I'm french... How can one think "let's start a fake company" instead of asking real companies to train these people for real? and for free... How is it OK to work for a fake company, but it's bad to work for free for a real company and gain some real experience... How come?
- bryanlarsen 11y agoBecause that's exploitation and unfair competition. Imagine company A uses this program for a significant fraction of its workers. The government is paying the wages for its workers so it can afford to lower it's prices. This puts company B out of business because it can't. Now we have twice as many workers on unemployment...
- weddpros 11y agoThen limit the program to a non significant fraction of its workers and a limited time, and a limited number of such programs per year. That's very easy to verify and enforce...
- pkaye 11y agoThere might be laws preventing working for free for a real company. Or maybe unions are opposed because it may depress their wages?
- weddpros 11y agoThere are definitely such laws. There's even a minimum wage for interns in France (800€/m, which is about 80% of the legal minimum salary). And unions in France would definitely be opposed to it... because they're opposed to any change. But I think they could make it work...
- m_t 11y agoThe minimum is a bit less thank that I think. You can see here[1] an example of the gratification for a full time (7h a day) intern ship of 4 months. The pay per month is ~500€ [1] http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/F32131.xhtml http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprise...
- seszett 11y ago> How is it OK to work for a fake company, but it's bad to work for free for a real company and gain some real experience... How come? These people are unemployed, right? What if you let a company hire them for free? Let's see... 1. company has one paid secretary 2. company hires free secretary 3. company lays off paid secretary because the free one is cheaper 4. previously paid secretary is now unemployed 5. previously paid secretary gets hired for free by company 2 You KNOW this is what would happen. Don't even start about how companies autoregulate themselves and how the market will punish bad behaviour and how employees can simply choose to work for a better one or whatever. These things are wishful thinking.