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Confusing abusing someone else with abusing someone else's property is the reason for so much pain and evil in this world. Thanks for propagating the mythos.

dragontamer 11y ago
Unfortunately, there's a reason why subletting for less than 30 days is _illegal_ in New York City. Because you attract a crowd of people who like to do Sex Orgies in stranger's houses. At the end of the day, it was a mistake for the author to use AirBNB, and now he is paying the price.
- omegaworks 11y ago
  There are plenty of people that need short-term housing that don't also think that a surprise sex orgy is an appropriate thing to do in a stranger's home. Why should regular people not be able to rent out the space they don't need to regular people that need it? The people who thought it was appropriate to trash the place should be made to cover the damage they wrought to the OP's life. That is the fairest solution.
  - dragontamer 11y ago
    > Why should regular people not be able to rent out the space they don't need to regular people that need it? Because he doesn't own the property. I severely doubt that his landlord is letting him sublet his apartment for less than 30 days. Why not? It doesn't matter. If you don't _own_ the land, you don't make the rules. Hell, even in my townhome that I own, my HOA / local laws do not allow me to sublet due to zoning restrictions. If I didn't agree to the law, I could have bought a different house. But I like the location, so I agreed to it. (I don't really care for AirBNB or subletting anyway). But these are the sorts of things you need to take responsibility for if you want to be a functioning adult.
    - omegaworks 11y ago
      Philosophically, why should ownership imply total absolute control?
      - dragontamer 11y ago
        Philosophically, why does philosophy matter? If you're gonna waste my time, I'm not gonna bother with a serious response.
      - dragonwriter 11y ago
        That's what ownership means. A renter had exactly the rights to property mandated in law or contacted in the rental agreement. That's what they paid for and the owner aged to transfer. If they wanted the right to use AirBnB or similar services to sublet the apartment, without consequences from bad subtenants, they should have contacted for that. The property owner, had they been willing to provide such rights, would probably have charged substantially higher rent -- out required larger damage deposit or insurance purchase by the tenant -- to do so.
    - omegaworks 11y ago
      Does it really provide net good in the world that your HOA is preventing you from negotiating an agreement with another person that could live in that space?
      - sanswork 11y ago
        Yes for the other people in that building it almost certainly does.
      - dragontamer 11y ago
        Yes? I can think of at least one thing my neighborhood doesn't have to worry about... Sex Orgies coming in through AirBNB. Another note is that AirBnB doesn't make it easy to track sex criminals. My neighborhood has published the location of all sex offenders and we've got that covered. If you have people moving in / out every week or so, you won't offer those kinds of guarantees in the neighborhood. Furthermore, parking is limited and is better distributed amongst the neighbors when subletting is not allowed. Finally, by encouraging only long-term leases (1-year or longer), the neighborhood attracts high-quality tenants who tend to care about their neighbors.
- rosser 11y ago
  I'm pretty sure "people who like to do Sex Orgies in stranger's houses" wasn't on anyone's mind when New York made short-term subletting illegal.
  - dragontamer 11y ago
    They probably weren't thinking "sex orgies", but they probably were thinking "illegal prostitution". There's a reason why zoning laws exist. In particular, hotels and other temporary arrangements attract drug deals, prostitution, and other unsavory characters. I can guarantee you that "illegal prostitution" was on the mind of city planners when they zoned out the place. Maybe not quite "sex orgies", but it'd be within the neighborhood (oh I'm so punny...)
makeitsuckless 11y ago
What on earth are you on about?

dragontamer 11y ago

Unfortunately, there's a reason why subletting for less than 30 days is _illegal_ in New York City. Because you attract a crowd of people who like to do Sex Orgies in stranger's houses. At the end of the day, it was a mistake for the author to use AirBNB, and now he is paying the price.

omegaworks 11y ago
There are plenty of people that need short-term housing that don't also think that a surprise sex orgy is an appropriate thing to do in a stranger's home. Why should regular people not be able to rent out the space they don't need to regular people that need it? The people who thought it was appropriate to trash the place should be made to cover the damage they wrought to the OP's life. That is the fairest solution.
- dragontamer 11y ago
  > Why should regular people not be able to rent out the space they don't need to regular people that need it? Because he doesn't own the property. I severely doubt that his landlord is letting him sublet his apartment for less than 30 days. Why not? It doesn't matter. If you don't _own_ the land, you don't make the rules. Hell, even in my townhome that I own, my HOA / local laws do not allow me to sublet due to zoning restrictions. If I didn't agree to the law, I could have bought a different house. But I like the location, so I agreed to it. (I don't really care for AirBNB or subletting anyway). But these are the sorts of things you need to take responsibility for if you want to be a functioning adult.
  - omegaworks 11y ago
    Philosophically, why should ownership imply total absolute control?
    - dragontamer 11y ago
      Philosophically, why does philosophy matter? If you're gonna waste my time, I'm not gonna bother with a serious response.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      That's what ownership means. A renter had exactly the rights to property mandated in law or contacted in the rental agreement. That's what they paid for and the owner aged to transfer. If they wanted the right to use AirBnB or similar services to sublet the apartment, without consequences from bad subtenants, they should have contacted for that. The property owner, had they been willing to provide such rights, would probably have charged substantially higher rent -- out required larger damage deposit or insurance purchase by the tenant -- to do so.
  - omegaworks 11y ago
    Does it really provide net good in the world that your HOA is preventing you from negotiating an agreement with another person that could live in that space?
    - sanswork 11y ago
      Yes for the other people in that building it almost certainly does.
    - dragontamer 11y ago
      Yes? I can think of at least one thing my neighborhood doesn't have to worry about... Sex Orgies coming in through AirBNB. Another note is that AirBnB doesn't make it easy to track sex criminals. My neighborhood has published the location of all sex offenders and we've got that covered. If you have people moving in / out every week or so, you won't offer those kinds of guarantees in the neighborhood. Furthermore, parking is limited and is better distributed amongst the neighbors when subletting is not allowed. Finally, by encouraging only long-term leases (1-year or longer), the neighborhood attracts high-quality tenants who tend to care about their neighbors.
rosser 11y ago
I'm pretty sure "people who like to do Sex Orgies in stranger's houses" wasn't on anyone's mind when New York made short-term subletting illegal.
- dragontamer 11y ago
  They probably weren't thinking "sex orgies", but they probably were thinking "illegal prostitution". There's a reason why zoning laws exist. In particular, hotels and other temporary arrangements attract drug deals, prostitution, and other unsavory characters. I can guarantee you that "illegal prostitution" was on the mind of city planners when they zoned out the place. Maybe not quite "sex orgies", but it'd be within the neighborhood (oh I'm so punny...)

makeitsuckless 11y ago

What on earth are you on about?