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He acts as if he had no part in signing up to be an AirBNB user and just came home from work one days to find his apartment trashed by the freak fest.

ivraatiems 11y ago
He was lied to by the "pre-verified" guest AirBNB directed to him.
- mszyndel 11y ago
  Please please tell me how to get anyone "directed to" me via airbnb... I always thought it's a marketplace where two parties meet and service has no role of "directing". Why is everyone repeating this bullshit Telman wrote!?
  - ivraatiems 11y ago
    Because in the documentation screenshots he provides it clearly shows that AirBNB "pre-approved," that is, recommended this malicious lying guest.
recursive 11y ago
He doesn't seem to act like that at all. He's acting like signing up for AirBNB doesn't mean you expect this to happen. He refers to some AirBNB guarantee, although I'm not sure what it says. In any case, I think it's reasonable to assume that signing up for AirBNB won't make you homeless.
- jlawer 11y ago
  https://www.airbnb.com.au/guarantee https://www.airbnb.com.au/guarantee
  - vacri 11y ago
    Interesting, their guarantee is explicitly worth 20% less in Australia... because the .au site specifies AUD, which is 20% less than the USD (their US site also says $1M)...
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  Signing up for AirBnB exposes you to the same risks as if you sublet your living space the same way it would in a traditional transaction. Rent to shitty people? You're responsible. AirBnB does not guarantee a pleasant experience, nor is it required to make this person whole by getting them removed from whatever tenant blacklist they're on. Welcome to bumps on the "sharing economy" road. Edit: it appears property management companies are using public court records to screen this person, preventing them from renting. That's not an AirBnB problem, that's a fair housing legislation problem.
  - ghughes 11y ago
    Is it really a problem? I'd argue that it should be a matter of public record that this guy was evicted for (indirectly) causing $23k in property damage, and it seems entirely reasonable for landlords to screen tenants based on prior evictions and other housing court judgements.
    - toomuchtodo 11y ago
      I don't think it shouldn't be public record, but I do believe you shouldn't be able to reject someone outright due to one event. I foreclosed on my underwater town home. Should I need to live in my car because my credit report has one negative item on it in 16 years? (Rentals of course pull your credit) Housing is a regulated industry for good reason. Property managers are free to use data sources such as in this case, but there needs to be an appeal process. Otherwise, we'll start to have a class of people who a defacto homeless due solely to historical data.
  - hueving 11y ago
    The entire value-add of airbnb over random craigslist ads is precisely to prevent or remediate these types of problems.
scythe 11y ago
This is a multi-part series; if you're not familiar with the story the "fait-accompli" tone of this post isn't going to sound melodious. AirBnB screwed this guy over more than a year ago, and a great deal of evidence was posted regarding how exactly things went down, and it certainly sounded like malfeasance on their part. If you just go to dearairbnb.tumblr.com there's a lot more info.

ivraatiems 11y ago

He was lied to by the "pre-verified" guest AirBNB directed to him.

mszyndel 11y ago
Please please tell me how to get anyone "directed to" me via airbnb... I always thought it's a marketplace where two parties meet and service has no role of "directing". Why is everyone repeating this bullshit Telman wrote!?
- ivraatiems 11y ago
  Because in the documentation screenshots he provides it clearly shows that AirBNB "pre-approved," that is, recommended this malicious lying guest.

recursive 11y ago

He doesn't seem to act like that at all. He's acting like signing up for AirBNB doesn't mean you expect this to happen. He refers to some AirBNB guarantee, although I'm not sure what it says. In any case, I think it's reasonable to assume that signing up for AirBNB won't make you homeless.

jlawer 11y ago
https://www.airbnb.com.au/guarantee https://www.airbnb.com.au/guarantee
- vacri 11y ago
  Interesting, their guarantee is explicitly worth 20% less in Australia... because the .au site specifies AUD, which is 20% less than the USD (their US site also says $1M)...
toomuchtodo 11y ago
Signing up for AirBnB exposes you to the same risks as if you sublet your living space the same way it would in a traditional transaction. Rent to shitty people? You're responsible. AirBnB does not guarantee a pleasant experience, nor is it required to make this person whole by getting them removed from whatever tenant blacklist they're on. Welcome to bumps on the "sharing economy" road. Edit: it appears property management companies are using public court records to screen this person, preventing them from renting. That's not an AirBnB problem, that's a fair housing legislation problem.
- ghughes 11y ago
  Is it really a problem? I'd argue that it should be a matter of public record that this guy was evicted for (indirectly) causing $23k in property damage, and it seems entirely reasonable for landlords to screen tenants based on prior evictions and other housing court judgements.
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    I don't think it shouldn't be public record, but I do believe you shouldn't be able to reject someone outright due to one event. I foreclosed on my underwater town home. Should I need to live in my car because my credit report has one negative item on it in 16 years? (Rentals of course pull your credit) Housing is a regulated industry for good reason. Property managers are free to use data sources such as in this case, but there needs to be an appeal process. Otherwise, we'll start to have a class of people who a defacto homeless due solely to historical data.
- hueving 11y ago
  The entire value-add of airbnb over random craigslist ads is precisely to prevent or remediate these types of problems.

scythe 11y ago

This is a multi-part series; if you're not familiar with the story the "fait-accompli" tone of this post isn't going to sound melodious. AirBnB screwed this guy over more than a year ago, and a great deal of evidence was posted regarding how exactly things went down, and it certainly sounded like malfeasance on their part. If you just go to dearairbnb.tumblr.com there's a lot more info.