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...And no data cap, and don't mind a chunk of your bandwidth being used, and don't mind a locked box with an always-on and encrypted connection to who-knows-whe

...And no data cap, and don't mind a chunk of your bandwidth being used, and don't mind a locked box with an always-on and encrypted connection to who-knows-where in your house. I'd also worry about what happens if/when it breaks down. (For instance, if the power supply fails. Or whatever: there are pretty much always single points of failure on such things.) A neat idea in some ways, but I'd be wary.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
> and don't mind a locked box with an always-on and encrypted connection to who-knows-where in your house Do you fear hidden microphones, cameras and other sensors? If not, then what's the harm?
- kardos 11y ago
  Since you have no control over it (aside from ripping it out of the wall), you're at the mercy of whoever runs the box to adequately secure it. When it gets hacked, any shady business conducted by the miscreants will be emitted from /your/ IP, so you're exposing yourself to TOR exit node level liability. You might be able to work around that.... but it depends what's running on the box. If it's a backend server for some organisation (database, etc) then you could have some sort of tunnelling router between it and the fibre that routes all packets back to the organisation's datacentre.
- TheLoneWolfling 11y ago
  I worry about the potential consequences of legitimate sensors being repurposed, yes. Network snooping / spoofing / etc (even if it's on a VPN through an external router it still leaks congestion information!), temperature settings, especially versus actual temperature, power fluctuations, vibration sensors, etc, etc. I don't particularly want random people knowing - and potentially selling - information about when I sleep, when I eat, when I take a shower, when I'm not home, when I'm on vacation, etc, etc.
estefan 11y ago
And don't mind someone else accessing the internet through your account. Better hope they aren't running a search engine that stumbles on kiddie porn/extremist material/pirated content, etc...
Cthulhu_ 11y ago
As long as it's set up so it can only connect to the master thing, preferably on a shielded and separate internet connection, then it should be fine - legally, it's their device. They'd probably have a few service employees doing regular maintenance and replacements on the road though. That would probably be the biggest expense they'd have after installation, actually.
- TheLoneWolfling 11y ago
  Not just legally. Another question is what happens if/when they get hacked. Remember: to you, it's a locked box. You have no control over their security - or, for that matter, for the security of whoever may buy the company in the future. Much less them deciding to sell your data sometime in the future. (Remember RadioShack?)
  - geon 11y ago
    Why would the security matter to you? It's the owners problem...
    - TheLoneWolfling 11y ago
      Because there's an astounding amount of data leakage from something like this. For instance: Network snooping / spoofing / etc (even if it's on a VPN through an external router it still leaks congestion information!), temperature settings, especially versus actual temperature, power fluctuations, vibration sensors, etc, etc. I don't particularly want random people knowing - and potentially selling - information about when I sleep, when I eat, when I take a shower, when I'm not home, when I'm on vacation, etc, etc.

TeMPOraL 11y ago

> and don't mind a locked box with an always-on and encrypted connection to who-knows-where in your house Do you fear hidden microphones, cameras and other sensors? If not, then what's the harm?

kardos 11y ago
Since you have no control over it (aside from ripping it out of the wall), you're at the mercy of whoever runs the box to adequately secure it. When it gets hacked, any shady business conducted by the miscreants will be emitted from /your/ IP, so you're exposing yourself to TOR exit node level liability. You might be able to work around that.... but it depends what's running on the box. If it's a backend server for some organisation (database, etc) then you could have some sort of tunnelling router between it and the fibre that routes all packets back to the organisation's datacentre.
TheLoneWolfling 11y ago
I worry about the potential consequences of legitimate sensors being repurposed, yes. Network snooping / spoofing / etc (even if it's on a VPN through an external router it still leaks congestion information!), temperature settings, especially versus actual temperature, power fluctuations, vibration sensors, etc, etc. I don't particularly want random people knowing - and potentially selling - information about when I sleep, when I eat, when I take a shower, when I'm not home, when I'm on vacation, etc, etc.

estefan 11y ago

And don't mind someone else accessing the internet through your account. Better hope they aren't running a search engine that stumbles on kiddie porn/extremist material/pirated content, etc...

Cthulhu_ 11y ago

As long as it's set up so it can only connect to the master thing, preferably on a shielded and separate internet connection, then it should be fine - legally, it's their device. They'd probably have a few service employees doing regular maintenance and replacements on the road though. That would probably be the biggest expense they'd have after installation, actually.

TheLoneWolfling 11y ago
Not just legally. Another question is what happens if/when they get hacked. Remember: to you, it's a locked box. You have no control over their security - or, for that matter, for the security of whoever may buy the company in the future. Much less them deciding to sell your data sometime in the future. (Remember RadioShack?)
- geon 11y ago
  Why would the security matter to you? It's the owners problem...
  - TheLoneWolfling 11y ago
    Because there's an astounding amount of data leakage from something like this. For instance: Network snooping / spoofing / etc (even if it's on a VPN through an external router it still leaks congestion information!), temperature settings, especially versus actual temperature, power fluctuations, vibration sensors, etc, etc. I don't particularly want random people knowing - and potentially selling - information about when I sleep, when I eat, when I take a shower, when I'm not home, when I'm on vacation, etc, etc.