> Statement #1 is pointless w/o first defining what consciousness is. We don't know what it is and yet, via our own limited and vivid perspective, we speak as t

> Statement #1 is pointless w/o first defining what consciousness is. We don't know what it is and yet, via our own limited and vivid perspective, we speak as though we do. > Nothing is a measure of value if you really want to extend that. You'd have to understand a larger portion of the Universe and system to begin speaking in these terms. In any event, it's important sometimes to highlight the gaping holes in core views people carry on with. The gradient of consciousness between one human being and another could be as relatively vast as the one between ourselves and a newt and there is no scientifically grounded argument against it until you define what consciousness is.