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That's default-public, not public-only. > I made a fake G+ with no data and as private as possible, and it has been accessed about 700 times a year. That's not

That's default-public, not public-only. > I made a fake G+ with no data and as private as possible, and it has been accessed about 700 times a year. That's not "privacy" to me. You didn't say what information was revealed on the profile. If it was completely blank, then how is that a privacy issue?

criley2 11y ago
The information revealed was: forced real name and existence of page. I do not want the existence of a profile to be known. I do not want social networks, search engines, and government organizations crawling and recording information from a profile page connected directly to my cellphone. I explained this: on Facebook, if you click a link to my profile it will say "sorry this link is invalid". If you click it on Google, despite my best attempts, it will say "Hey, this user exists, here is their full name, oh, they don't share anything else with you". That's an invasion of my privacy, to me, to have a public page that resolves and identifies me against my will. The fact that you're OK with 700 automated bots crawling a blank profile shows me that you don't respect your own information and data and are okay with literally dozens of organizations collecting personal information about you without your permission or knowledge. What do you think those 700 clicks are? People hitting a blank profile? They're bots, and they're data harvesters. The existence of a profile is great information to help build more complete profiles of me, my devices and accounts, and ultimately my browsing history, locations, purchasing histories, advertising history, etc.
- danellis 11y ago
  Your real name, apart from almost certainly not being unique, isn't private information anyway, so no privacy is being lost. > The fact that you're OK with 700 automated bots crawling a blank profile shows me that you don't respect your own information and data and are okay with literally dozens of organizations collecting personal information about you without your permission or knowledge. "blank profile" ... "personal information" -- this isn't even coherent. > without your permission They implicitly have my permission to crawl anything I allow to be public. That's what making something public means!
  - criley2 11y ago
    "Your real name, apart from almost certainly not being unique, isn't private information anyway, so no privacy is being lost." Yes, privacy is being lost. I broke it down very simply: a public facing, crawlable webpage with a real-name is different than a NON-EXISTENT LINK. Do you understand the difference between a "This Page Does Not Exist" error, and a "Hey, this is the public profile for Real Name" page? Do you understand the difference between say "Google.com" and "lkskldjfklsdjsdf.com"? One being a public page, the other being a non-existent webpage that returns an error? I am shocked that your view of privacy is so broken that you cannot see the difference between publically posting a page on the public internet, accessible to literally every human on earth, and a whitelisted access page that has a total of about 300 human beings who can see it. Do you understand why accessible to 5,000,000,000 is different than 300? Then you can begin to understand privacy.

criley2 11y ago

The information revealed was: forced real name and existence of page. I do not want the existence of a profile to be known. I do not want social networks, search engines, and government organizations crawling and recording information from a profile page connected directly to my cellphone. I explained this: on Facebook, if you click a link to my profile it will say "sorry this link is invalid". If you click it on Google, despite my best attempts, it will say "Hey, this user exists, here is their full name, oh, they don't share anything else with you". That's an invasion of my privacy, to me, to have a public page that resolves and identifies me against my will. The fact that you're OK with 700 automated bots crawling a blank profile shows me that you don't respect your own information and data and are okay with literally dozens of organizations collecting personal information about you without your permission or knowledge. What do you think those 700 clicks are? People hitting a blank profile? They're bots, and they're data harvesters. The existence of a profile is great information to help build more complete profiles of me, my devices and accounts, and ultimately my browsing history, locations, purchasing histories, advertising history, etc.

danellis 11y ago
Your real name, apart from almost certainly not being unique, isn't private information anyway, so no privacy is being lost. > The fact that you're OK with 700 automated bots crawling a blank profile shows me that you don't respect your own information and data and are okay with literally dozens of organizations collecting personal information about you without your permission or knowledge. "blank profile" ... "personal information" -- this isn't even coherent. > without your permission They implicitly have my permission to crawl anything I allow to be public. That's what making something public means!
- criley2 11y ago
  "Your real name, apart from almost certainly not being unique, isn't private information anyway, so no privacy is being lost." Yes, privacy is being lost. I broke it down very simply: a public facing, crawlable webpage with a real-name is different than a NON-EXISTENT LINK. Do you understand the difference between a "This Page Does Not Exist" error, and a "Hey, this is the public profile for Real Name" page? Do you understand the difference between say "Google.com" and "lkskldjfklsdjsdf.com"? One being a public page, the other being a non-existent webpage that returns an error? I am shocked that your view of privacy is so broken that you cannot see the difference between publically posting a page on the public internet, accessible to literally every human on earth, and a whitelisted access page that has a total of about 300 human beings who can see it. Do you understand why accessible to 5,000,000,000 is different than 300? Then you can begin to understand privacy.