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> Why would I hand over my photos to a third party, that, quite ostensibly, is capable of indexing and tagging it by face- and location-recognition and store o

by tdkl 11y ago

> Why would I hand over my photos to a third party, that, quite ostensibly, is capable of indexing and tagging it by face- and location-recognition and store on their storage. "You're the product". I guess the data is used to enhance machine learning, that's why they also offer "unlimited" storage now (although it's compressed with yet to see what quality). I wonder though if the image indexing etc will have the ability to opt-out from. There's also a question if there will be a good syncing tool to upload existing photos from the desktop device and keep it synced, Google Drive and Photos didn't like each other in the past.

alexqgb 11y ago
Please don't say "you're the product". Not only is this line absurdly overused, it's also thoughtless, lazy, and wrong. You are not the product. You are a person. You are not being bought, you are not being sold. Nobody can exchange clear legal title to your very existence because slavery is illegal and has been for some time. "Okay, fine so what IS changing hands when money is being made?" Well, that depends. Generally it's one of two things. The first is information about you (e.g. Experian, TransUnion, etc.). The other is access to you (e.g. Google, Facebook, etc.) But neither of these things are you, any more than a story about you (which may or may not be true) is you, per se. This may seem persnickety, but failing to grasp this means failing to recognize some of the most fundamental points about the internet and information economies. And not really caring about the difference is a bit like saying that whether the Earth is flat or round doesn't really matter because from where you're standing it all looks the same. Like I said, it's just thoughtless, lazy, and wrong. And if there's one place where people really should know enough and care enough to get this right, it's HN. </rant>
- coldtea 11y ago
  >Nobody can exchange clear legal title to your very existence because slavery is illegal and has been for some time. You'd be surprised. Modern slavery is a multi-billion dollar industry with estimates of up to $35 billion generated annually. The United Nations estimates that roughly 27 to 30 million individuals are currently caught in the slave trade industry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery
  - alexqgb 11y ago
    Sure, but those are not people spending significant amounts of time on Google, FB, etc. Indeed, if you've enough online access for companies to build profiles on you, you're not a victim of the actual slave trade.

by tdkl 11y ago

alexqgb 11y ago

Please don't say "you're the product". Not only is this line absurdly overused, it's also thoughtless, lazy, and wrong. You are not the product. You are a person. You are not being bought, you are not being sold. Nobody can exchange clear legal title to your very existence because slavery is illegal and has been for some time. "Okay, fine so what IS changing hands when money is being made?" Well, that depends. Generally it's one of two things. The first is information about you (e.g. Experian, TransUnion, etc.). The other is access to you (e.g. Google, Facebook, etc.) But neither of these things are you, any more than a story about you (which may or may not be true) is you, per se. This may seem persnickety, but failing to grasp this means failing to recognize some of the most fundamental points about the internet and information economies. And not really caring about the difference is a bit like saying that whether the Earth is flat or round doesn't really matter because from where you're standing it all looks the same. Like I said, it's just thoughtless, lazy, and wrong. And if there's one place where people really should know enough and care enough to get this right, it's HN. </rant>

coldtea 11y ago
>Nobody can exchange clear legal title to your very existence because slavery is illegal and has been for some time. You'd be surprised. Modern slavery is a multi-billion dollar industry with estimates of up to $35 billion generated annually. The United Nations estimates that roughly 27 to 30 million individuals are currently caught in the slave trade industry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery
- alexqgb 11y ago
  Sure, but those are not people spending significant amounts of time on Google, FB, etc. Indeed, if you've enough online access for companies to build profiles on you, you're not a victim of the actual slave trade.