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No offense, but your claim is ridiculous. $150K is not the minimum living wage for a family of four in SF. Plenty of families get by on less. Here is a map of

No offense, but your claim is ridiculous. $150K is not the minimum living wage for a family of four in SF. Plenty of families get by on less. Here is a map of incomes in SF: http://www.city-data.com/income/income-San-Francisco-California.html http://www.city-data.com/income/income-San-Francisco-Califor... And here's a better map, though it doesn't seem to have household/family incomes: http://www.richblockspoorblocks.com/ http://www.richblockspoorblocks.com/

gtrubetskoy 11y ago
If by "get by" you mean survive, then, certainly. But are they living a good comfortable life and are able to afford good food, a second car, good health insurance, good dental care, music lessons for the children, a decent family vacation and a well maintained house? Doubt it. Every hard working educated parent deserves this and being able to put their kids though college in a civilized society that the USA claims to be.
- rahimnathwani 11y ago
  "Every hard working educated parent deserves this..." Why do they deserve this? And how do you define 'educated'? And who should provide these things if the market doesn't (i.e. how can it be fixed)?
  - smrtinsert 11y ago
    In the future, when your job gets outsourced to China for a fraction of what you earn currently, ask yourself the same questions.
    - rahimnathwani 11y ago
      My job _is_ in China. I have lived in China for almost 5 years, so am competing with others in the local job market.
curun1r 11y ago
Living wage is different than the poverty line. I wouldn't be surprised if $150k was really tight for a family of 4 in SF proper. Running the calculations, a payroll calculator indicates that $150k/yr turns into $3925 take home every 2 weeks or just over $100k/yr. The housing alone for a three bedroom (assuming everyone shares a room) would run at least $60k/yr. That leaves $40k/yr to support 6 people. That may be possible, but it's not easy and it's damn near impossible to be saving for college on that amount of money.
- tedsanders 11y ago
  (1) A family of four means four people (2) $40k/year is enough money to support four people (or even six), if you've already paid taxes and rent. That's more than $500-800 per month for food/clothes/transportation/entertainment, etc. (3) Middle-income parents spend about $7,000 a year per child (or $600/mo), not counting housing. [http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentid=2014/08/0179.xml&contentidonly=true http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentid=2014/...] Of course, many people would like families to get more than $150,000 of income, but I hope we all agree that it's common to get by on less than $150,000 of family income, as most families do.

gtrubetskoy 11y ago

If by "get by" you mean survive, then, certainly. But are they living a good comfortable life and are able to afford good food, a second car, good health insurance, good dental care, music lessons for the children, a decent family vacation and a well maintained house? Doubt it. Every hard working educated parent deserves this and being able to put their kids though college in a civilized society that the USA claims to be.

rahimnathwani 11y ago
"Every hard working educated parent deserves this..." Why do they deserve this? And how do you define 'educated'? And who should provide these things if the market doesn't (i.e. how can it be fixed)?
- smrtinsert 11y ago
  In the future, when your job gets outsourced to China for a fraction of what you earn currently, ask yourself the same questions.
  - rahimnathwani 11y ago
    My job _is_ in China. I have lived in China for almost 5 years, so am competing with others in the local job market.

curun1r 11y ago

Living wage is different than the poverty line. I wouldn't be surprised if $150k was really tight for a family of 4 in SF proper. Running the calculations, a payroll calculator indicates that $150k/yr turns into $3925 take home every 2 weeks or just over $100k/yr. The housing alone for a three bedroom (assuming everyone shares a room) would run at least $60k/yr. That leaves $40k/yr to support 6 people. That may be possible, but it's not easy and it's damn near impossible to be saving for college on that amount of money.

tedsanders 11y ago
(1) A family of four means four people (2) $40k/year is enough money to support four people (or even six), if you've already paid taxes and rent. That's more than $500-800 per month for food/clothes/transportation/entertainment, etc. (3) Middle-income parents spend about $7,000 a year per child (or $600/mo), not counting housing. [http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentid=2014/08/0179.xml&contentidonly=true http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentid=2014/...] Of course, many people would like families to get more than $150,000 of income, but I hope we all agree that it's common to get by on less than $150,000 of family income, as most families do.