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So please lay out your definition of stealing and explain why it would apply to this case. "take (another person's property) without permission or legal righ

by eis 11y ago

So please lay out your definition of stealing and explain why it would apply to this case. "take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it." No property is taken. It's not stealing. There are other correct terms to describe these things like theft of service.

eli 11y ago
My definition of stealing includes theft of services.
- kazinator 11y ago
  There is no theft of service until you take a train to another station, and then jump the gates there to exit. If you want to get around the gates to enter a station without a ticket, you can just ask the staff. I've done it a couple of times in Japan. You can get inside to look for a lost item or whatever. They even let people in to access the station shops. I watched one tourist ask for that and be granted. Also, one time I entered a station without swiping my Suica card through the machine. I explained that at the destination station and where I had boarded; they cheerfully fixed it up and let me exit. There is room for mistakes without being automatically branded a thief just for being there.
d_theorist 11y ago
(responding here to eli since we've reached the depth limit) >My definition of stealing includes theft of services. That's fine. You can go off and speak your own private language. The rest of us don't get to redefine words arbitrarily. This is necessary for us to be able to communicate in a common language.
- npizzolato 11y ago
  This is some ridiculous pedantry. Theft is a synonym for stealing. Merriam Webster even defines it as the "act of stealing." So if you're going to use "theft of service" as an acceptable phrase, then "stealing a service" must also work conceptually. To complain that is unacceptable to shorten that to just stealing in a conversation is utterly ludicrous.

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So please lay out your definition of stealing and explain why it would apply to this case. "take (another person's property) without permission or legal righ

by eis 11y ago

eli 11y ago
My definition of stealing includes theft of services.
- kazinator 11y ago
  There is no theft of service until you take a train to another station, and then jump the gates there to exit. If you want to get around the gates to enter a station without a ticket, you can just ask the staff. I've done it a couple of times in Japan. You can get inside to look for a lost item or whatever. They even let people in to access the station shops. I watched one tourist ask for that and be granted. Also, one time I entered a station without swiping my Suica card through the machine. I explained that at the destination station and where I had boarded; they cheerfully fixed it up and let me exit. There is room for mistakes without being automatically branded a thief just for being there.
d_theorist 11y ago
(responding here to eli since we've reached the depth limit) >My definition of stealing includes theft of services. That's fine. You can go off and speak your own private language. The rest of us don't get to redefine words arbitrarily. This is necessary for us to be able to communicate in a common language.
- npizzolato 11y ago
  This is some ridiculous pedantry. Theft is a synonym for stealing. Merriam Webster even defines it as the "act of stealing." So if you're going to use "theft of service" as an acceptable phrase, then "stealing a service" must also work conceptually. To complain that is unacceptable to shorten that to just stealing in a conversation is utterly ludicrous.