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Truthfully, all first world countries are gradually applying more and more welfare laws so there's no where to really escape to unless you want to live in say t

Truthfully, all first world countries are gradually applying more and more welfare laws so there's no where to really escape to unless you want to live in say the Saychelles or Cyphrus or another tax-haven. Now its certainly fine for your money to live in the Saychelles, but many people value their home country for its people and you don't get that value without actually living amongst them.

kamaal 11y ago
>>Truthfully, all first world countries are gradually applying more and more welfare laws so there's no where to really escape to unless you want to live in say the Saychelles or Cyphrus or another tax-haven. I come from a country(India) where generations of some very smart people have left to come and stay in the US. Guess Why? For a lot of time, it was pointless to even start a business in India(Given taxes and regulations). Add to this welfare laws like reservations, subsidies and freebies. You get at least 5 to 6 decades of very brilliant people leaving the country to never return again. The brain drain is still on, it hasn't stopped yet. All due to welfare policies. Its taking decades more to fix that problem. I can assure you all those welfare laws ultimately led to far bigger problem they tried to solve. US born citizens have no first hand experience of this. Nor do they have an idea of what it feels to live in such a country. These words may look harsh. But the reality on the ground for such societies is very far from what you might have read in the books or articles online.
- selimthegrim 11y ago
  What percentage of government revenue and GDP is being lost to Mandal, etc, versus the coal scam, the power scam in Delhi that Kejriwal tried to expose, the cell spectrum scam, etc, freebies to Reliance and Ambani?
  - kamaal 11y ago
    Like I mentioned above, the root of corruption is lack of opportunities. If there are things in abundance, the desperation that drives people to resort to corruption reduces.
    - selimthegrim 11y ago
      You can't seriously tell me Ambani and Raja were lacking in opportunities.
      - kamaal 11y ago
        Do you seriously think Raja is the only guy who got all the money? Or when a traffic constable demands bribe, do you think they keep all the money for themselves. That kind of money goes into every one's pocket. How do you think political parties can distribute free laptops and televisions. What do you have to say of those people who literally brave a stampede for these freebies, free liquor and food. I hope this was as simple as a few people greedy people stealing all the money, it would all end by just putting them in prison. In reality this is a more serious and deep problem.
- SwellJoe 11y ago
  "All due to welfare policies." Really, all due to welfare policies? It doesn't have anything to do with India's colonial history, corruption, inconsistency in the legal infrastructure for new business vs. old established business, etc.? (I'm genuinely asking. I am not at all an expert on India's business climate, but I know that most of my friends who have immigrated to the US from other places, including India, to start companies did so for a wide variety of reasons, and none of them ever said it was because of welfare.)
  - kamaal 11y ago
    You need to ask why people ask for bribes. What happens when there are not enough opportunities/jobs/good-paying-jobs. Everybody tries to squeeze as much as they possibly can out whatever opportunity they can, any way they can. Because the perception is opportunities being scanty, and earning opportunities being rare, anybody would act at the same level of dishonesty. In a society of abundance stealing/corruption rarely makes sense.

kamaal 11y ago

>>Truthfully, all first world countries are gradually applying more and more welfare laws so there's no where to really escape to unless you want to live in say the Saychelles or Cyphrus or another tax-haven. I come from a country(India) where generations of some very smart people have left to come and stay in the US. Guess Why? For a lot of time, it was pointless to even start a business in India(Given taxes and regulations). Add to this welfare laws like reservations, subsidies and freebies. You get at least 5 to 6 decades of very brilliant people leaving the country to never return again. The brain drain is still on, it hasn't stopped yet. All due to welfare policies. Its taking decades more to fix that problem. I can assure you all those welfare laws ultimately led to far bigger problem they tried to solve. US born citizens have no first hand experience of this. Nor do they have an idea of what it feels to live in such a country. These words may look harsh. But the reality on the ground for such societies is very far from what you might have read in the books or articles online.

selimthegrim 11y ago
What percentage of government revenue and GDP is being lost to Mandal, etc, versus the coal scam, the power scam in Delhi that Kejriwal tried to expose, the cell spectrum scam, etc, freebies to Reliance and Ambani?
- kamaal 11y ago
  Like I mentioned above, the root of corruption is lack of opportunities. If there are things in abundance, the desperation that drives people to resort to corruption reduces.
  - selimthegrim 11y ago
    You can't seriously tell me Ambani and Raja were lacking in opportunities.
    - kamaal 11y ago
      Do you seriously think Raja is the only guy who got all the money? Or when a traffic constable demands bribe, do you think they keep all the money for themselves. That kind of money goes into every one's pocket. How do you think political parties can distribute free laptops and televisions. What do you have to say of those people who literally brave a stampede for these freebies, free liquor and food. I hope this was as simple as a few people greedy people stealing all the money, it would all end by just putting them in prison. In reality this is a more serious and deep problem.
SwellJoe 11y ago
"All due to welfare policies." Really, all due to welfare policies? It doesn't have anything to do with India's colonial history, corruption, inconsistency in the legal infrastructure for new business vs. old established business, etc.? (I'm genuinely asking. I am not at all an expert on India's business climate, but I know that most of my friends who have immigrated to the US from other places, including India, to start companies did so for a wide variety of reasons, and none of them ever said it was because of welfare.)
- kamaal 11y ago
  You need to ask why people ask for bribes. What happens when there are not enough opportunities/jobs/good-paying-jobs. Everybody tries to squeeze as much as they possibly can out whatever opportunity they can, any way they can. Because the perception is opportunities being scanty, and earning opportunities being rare, anybody would act at the same level of dishonesty. In a society of abundance stealing/corruption rarely makes sense.