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$32 seems steep for one article. Does anyone know if Nature allows authors to publish on their websites? Nothing so far on Hinton's, LeCun's, or Bengio's page

by rfrey 11y ago

$32 seems steep for one article. Does anyone know if Nature allows authors to publish on their websites? Nothing so far on Hinton's, LeCun's, or Bengio's page.

cowpig 11y ago
Having to pay for this at all is problematic.
- robotresearcher 11y ago
  why? Because the authors are not paid for their work, or some other reason?
chriskanan 11y ago
This link allows you to access the entire document using ReadCube: http://www.nature.com/articles/nature14539.epdf?referrer_access_token=K4awZz78b5Yn2_AoPV_4Y9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0PU8PImtLRceRBJ32CtadUBVOwHuxbf2QgphMCsA6eTOw64kccq9ihWSKdxZpGPn2fn3B_8bxaYh0svGFqgRLgaiyW6CBFAb3Fpm6GbL8a_TtQQDWKuhD1XKh_wxLReRpGbR_NdccoaiKP5xvzbV-x7b_7Y64ZSpqG6kmfwS6Q1rw%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com http://www.nature.com/articles/nature14539.epdf?referrer_acc... It doesn't allow you to print or to save the article.
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gwern 11y ago
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fmc3e4ackcf74lo/2015-lecun.pdf https://www.dropbox.com/s/fmc3e4ackcf74lo/2015-lecun.pdf / http://sci-hub.org/downloads/d397/lecun2015.pdf http://sci-hub.org/downloads/d397/lecun2015.pdf
- dmazin 11y ago
  gwern saves the day once again.
nabla9 11y ago
http://libgen.in/scimag/?s=10.1038/nature14539 http://libgen.in/scimag/?s=10.1038/nature14539
foxbarrington 11y ago
But think of how much all the research costs Nature.
- IanCal 11y ago
  Their editor-in-chief estimates their costs to be ~$30-40,000 per article. Much higher than other publishers, it seems, probably in part due to their high rejection rate (92% in 2011). http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-science-publishing-1.12676 http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-scie...
  - joelthelion 11y ago
    That could be reduced a lot if they had an incentive to do it. The work that counts, ie. the research and the peer-review, are free and not compensated at all by the publisher.
    - IanCal 11y ago
      I expect prices for everything could be reduced with enough effort, but I think that all businesses have an incentive to reduce internal costs. They apparently publish roughly 1000 articles per year[0] so that suggests internal costs in the range of 30-40 million. > The work that counts, ie. the research and the peer-review, are free and not compensated at all by the publisher. The peer review is done for free, yes. I don't think I'd class the research as free though, unless you mean free to the publisher, the scientists are still generally paid. Again, I'm not arguing for paid journals, just pointing out that they do have costs to run. [0] http://lib.hzau.edu.cn/xxfw/SCIzx/Document/249/Image/20101012249_5.pdfa http://lib.hzau.edu.cn/xxfw/SCIzx/Document/249/Image/2010101...
  - gwern 11y ago
    "_Nature_ says that it will not disclose information on margins."
    - IanCal 11y ago

by rfrey 11y ago

$32 seems steep for one article. Does anyone know if Nature allows authors to publish on their websites? Nothing so far on Hinton's, LeCun's, or Bengio's page.

cowpig 11y ago

Having to pay for this at all is problematic.

robotresearcher 11y ago
why? Because the authors are not paid for their work, or some other reason?

chriskanan 11y ago

This link allows you to access the entire document using ReadCube: http://www.nature.com/articles/nature14539.epdf?referrer_access_token=K4awZz78b5Yn2_AoPV_4Y9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0PU8PImtLRceRBJ32CtadUBVOwHuxbf2QgphMCsA6eTOw64kccq9ihWSKdxZpGPn2fn3B_8bxaYh0svGFqgRLgaiyW6CBFAb3Fpm6GbL8a_TtQQDWKuhD1XKh_wxLReRpGbR_NdccoaiKP5xvzbV-x7b_7Y64ZSpqG6kmfwS6Q1rw%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=www.nature.com http://www.nature.com/articles/nature14539.epdf?referrer_acc... It doesn't allow you to print or to save the article.

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gwern 11y ago

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fmc3e4ackcf74lo/2015-lecun.pdf https://www.dropbox.com/s/fmc3e4ackcf74lo/2015-lecun.pdf / http://sci-hub.org/downloads/d397/lecun2015.pdf http://sci-hub.org/downloads/d397/lecun2015.pdf

dmazin 11y ago
gwern saves the day once again.

nabla9 11y ago

http://libgen.in/scimag/?s=10.1038/nature14539 http://libgen.in/scimag/?s=10.1038/nature14539

foxbarrington 11y ago

But think of how much all the research costs Nature.

IanCal 11y ago
Their editor-in-chief estimates their costs to be ~$30-40,000 per article. Much higher than other publishers, it seems, probably in part due to their high rejection rate (92% in 2011). http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-science-publishing-1.12676 http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-scie...
- joelthelion 11y ago
  That could be reduced a lot if they had an incentive to do it. The work that counts, ie. the research and the peer-review, are free and not compensated at all by the publisher.
  - IanCal 11y ago
    I expect prices for everything could be reduced with enough effort, but I think that all businesses have an incentive to reduce internal costs. They apparently publish roughly 1000 articles per year[0] so that suggests internal costs in the range of 30-40 million. > The work that counts, ie. the research and the peer-review, are free and not compensated at all by the publisher. The peer review is done for free, yes. I don't think I'd class the research as free though, unless you mean free to the publisher, the scientists are still generally paid. Again, I'm not arguing for paid journals, just pointing out that they do have costs to run. [0] http://lib.hzau.edu.cn/xxfw/SCIzx/Document/249/Image/20101012249_5.pdfa http://lib.hzau.edu.cn/xxfw/SCIzx/Document/249/Image/2010101...
- gwern 11y ago
  "_Nature_ says that it will not disclose information on margins."
  - IanCal 11y ago