>In practice, pre-civilization cultures had some of the most rapacious, kleptocratic, arbitrary, and vendictive leaders ever. Modern tribes in many countries ex

>In practice, pre-civilization cultures had some of the most rapacious, kleptocratic, arbitrary, and vendictive leaders ever. Modern tribes in many countries exhibit similar behaviour One could say the same of modern cultures. I'm not talking about the quality of the leader, I'm referring to the amount of power he has to redirect wealth and work. The only difference between modern leaders and tribal is in pre-civilization cultures, leaders had very limited power because the concept of wealth has not been fully established; leaders in the modern age, however, derive power from wealth. Thus as a result leaders in tribes are more or less relatively equal in power with all the other members of the tribe. See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_man_%28anthropology%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_man_%28anthropology%29 >Large institutions are (in practice) the most communist organisations in the western world (as they are managed top-down with a great deal of government support), and yet they seem to exhibit the problems you describe more than many 'capitalist' organizations. They do. I never said they didn't. I only said communism was a solution in theory as opposed to how in practice in doesn't work. Read what I said again. >You are using a Marxist analysis which is characterized by biased, myopic comparisons, and thinking based on personal preferences and sentiments, as well as the Cohen fallacy, and (unsurprisingly) reaching a Marxist result. Not only is this not true. But it is an unnecessary and veiled insult. I did not reach a marxist result. Read it again: The only two possible solutions was communism (which only works in theory, and has been shown to be flawed in practice) and some pre-civilization tribal culture, both of which are worse then the current system. There is no need to make comments about my character by saying I'm biased or myopic. It makes me angry and makes you look bad. What if I said something along the lines of: "When someone sits on the top for too long they develop harsh and protective views to justify their superior and unfair positions." Would that be an accurate description of you? Maybe, maybe not, but either way totally unnecessary.