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Somewhat ironic that Elon Musk's SpaceX whose ultimate goal is to make life multi-planetary, is now collaborating with agents that may as well be responsible fo

Somewhat ironic that Elon Musk's SpaceX whose ultimate goal is to make life multi-planetary, is now collaborating with agents that may as well be responsible for triggering a Kessler syndrome. Not to mention the fact their business very much implies the termination of human life -- if for the greater good that is left for discussion on a case by case basis.

datamingle 11y ago
"their business very much implies the termination of human life" .. you are assuming a perfect world where no other entity wants to harm human life. Also, GPS satellites were created for the military. They are fundamental for our daily lives around the world now.
- stefantalpalaru 11y ago
  Don't forget how much better the GPS could have been without the military putting the breaks on civilian uses and competitors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_%28satellite_navigation%29#Tension_with_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_%28satellite_navigation...
  - datamingle 11y ago
    A free service to the world, paid for by American tax payers out of the military budget. Kind of hard to complain.
    - stefantalpalaru 11y ago
      I can complain because it prevented (or significantly delayed) much better services through some arm twisting and corruption paid for by American tax payers out of the military budget.
      - datamingle 11y ago
        Where is the corruption? Galileo (Euro planned system) was going to use the same frequency as GPS. So, during conflict areas the US could not jam Galileo without also affecting GPS. So the US military probably made plans on destroying satellites if it was determined that the enemy was using Galileo. The Euro group decided instead to use another frequency than the GPS frequency. Now.... "Galileo will start offering first services from 2015.[11] Full completion of the 30-satellite Galileo system (24 operational and 6 active spares) is expected by 2020." I fail to see any corruption.
        stefantalpalaru 11y ago
        A different frequency means that all the existing GPS hardware won't work with the new network. > I fail to see any corruption. http://www.aftenposten.no/spesial/wikileaksdokumenter/22102009-OHB-SYSTEM-CEO-CALLS-GALILEO-A-WASTE-OF-GERMAN-TAX-PAYER-MONEY-5106942.html http://www.aftenposten.no/spesial/wikileaksdokumenter/221020... http://www.itworld.com/article/2792924/data-center/secret-u-s--letter-could-spell-death-for-galileo.html http://www.itworld.com/article/2792924/data-center/secret-u-... http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/08/world.internationaleducationnews http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/08/world.internationa... http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1145904 http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1145904
        datamingle 11y ago
        Yes, if you want to use a new network operator you would need to purchase new hardware for it. That happens all the time everywhere. I don't see the big problem. All of those links do not point to any corruption. Budget overruns that are usual with large govt. contracts. And other links with hard negotiations with US officials over the already resolved issue with Galileo wanting to use the same frequency. They have already moved on to use another frequency.
        stefantalpalaru 11y ago
        > All of those links do not point to any corruption. What, you think the CEO of a company benefiting from a project would go badmouth it to the project's enemies without any incentive? The guy was sacked the minute that embassy cable came out: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12212525 http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12212525 Why do you think that the disapproval of the US Deputy Secretary of Defense is enough to almost kill a EU project? Those sons of bitches had our sons of bitches by their short and curlies. And it's not for any military alliance reason, because the US doesn't have allies - only enemies it kind of tolerates. Read those links, they paint a pretty clear picture.
  - mikeash 11y ago
    Selective Availability stopped in 2000. What alternative system would have been ready to go by then that was prevented from being ready by the actions of the US military? What entity would have paid for creating GPS if not the US military?
    - stefantalpalaru 11y ago
      They only stopped introducing errors in the signal after the threat of a competing system became real. The interests of US military are simply not aligned with those of civilians around the world. The sooner we get rid of our dependency on their technology, the better. See what happened to the Internet. Because we kept relying on it, we're now all living in East Germany under the watchful eye of a new and improved STASI.
      - mikeash 11y ago
        Right, but the claim was that without the involvement of the US military, we'd have been better off. Which then means that either somebody else would have paid for a better GPS system, or that some other system would have been put up and operational by 2000. So, like I asked: which alternative system would have been ready by 2000 if not for the US military, or what other entity would have paid for GPS if not the US military?
stefantalpalaru 11y ago
Pecunia non olet.
drzaiusapelord 11y ago
>Kessler syndrome The largest and most optional cloud of space junk was a propagandist military display by the Chinese Communist Party in 2007 to show the world where their missile tech is going. http://www.space.com/3415-china-anti-satellite-test-worrisome-debris-cloud-circles-earth.html http://www.space.com/3415-china-anti-satellite-test-worrisom... >The satellite's destruction is now being viewed as the most prolific and severe fragmentation in the course of five decades of space operations. SpaceX works for the CCP now? Oh, right, mindless anti-US hyperbole that is upvote bait for anti-US HN'ers.

datamingle 11y ago

"their business very much implies the termination of human life" .. you are assuming a perfect world where no other entity wants to harm human life. Also, GPS satellites were created for the military. They are fundamental for our daily lives around the world now.

stefantalpalaru 11y ago
Don't forget how much better the GPS could have been without the military putting the breaks on civilian uses and competitors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_%28satellite_navigation%29#Tension_with_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_%28satellite_navigation...
- datamingle 11y ago
  A free service to the world, paid for by American tax payers out of the military budget. Kind of hard to complain.
  - stefantalpalaru 11y ago
    I can complain because it prevented (or significantly delayed) much better services through some arm twisting and corruption paid for by American tax payers out of the military budget.
    - datamingle 11y ago
      Where is the corruption? Galileo (Euro planned system) was going to use the same frequency as GPS. So, during conflict areas the US could not jam Galileo without also affecting GPS. So the US military probably made plans on destroying satellites if it was determined that the enemy was using Galileo. The Euro group decided instead to use another frequency than the GPS frequency. Now.... "Galileo will start offering first services from 2015.[11] Full completion of the 30-satellite Galileo system (24 operational and 6 active spares) is expected by 2020." I fail to see any corruption.
      - stefantalpalaru 11y ago
        A different frequency means that all the existing GPS hardware won't work with the new network. > I fail to see any corruption. http://www.aftenposten.no/spesial/wikileaksdokumenter/22102009-OHB-SYSTEM-CEO-CALLS-GALILEO-A-WASTE-OF-GERMAN-TAX-PAYER-MONEY-5106942.html http://www.aftenposten.no/spesial/wikileaksdokumenter/221020... http://www.itworld.com/article/2792924/data-center/secret-u-s--letter-could-spell-death-for-galileo.html http://www.itworld.com/article/2792924/data-center/secret-u-... http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/08/world.internationaleducationnews http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/08/world.internationa... http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1145904 http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1145904
        datamingle 11y ago
        Yes, if you want to use a new network operator you would need to purchase new hardware for it. That happens all the time everywhere. I don't see the big problem. All of those links do not point to any corruption. Budget overruns that are usual with large govt. contracts. And other links with hard negotiations with US officials over the already resolved issue with Galileo wanting to use the same frequency. They have already moved on to use another frequency.
        stefantalpalaru 11y ago
        > All of those links do not point to any corruption. What, you think the CEO of a company benefiting from a project would go badmouth it to the project's enemies without any incentive? The guy was sacked the minute that embassy cable came out: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12212525 http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12212525 Why do you think that the disapproval of the US Deputy Secretary of Defense is enough to almost kill a EU project? Those sons of bitches had our sons of bitches by their short and curlies. And it's not for any military alliance reason, because the US doesn't have allies - only enemies it kind of tolerates. Read those links, they paint a pretty clear picture.
- mikeash 11y ago
  Selective Availability stopped in 2000. What alternative system would have been ready to go by then that was prevented from being ready by the actions of the US military? What entity would have paid for creating GPS if not the US military?
  - stefantalpalaru 11y ago
    They only stopped introducing errors in the signal after the threat of a competing system became real. The interests of US military are simply not aligned with those of civilians around the world. The sooner we get rid of our dependency on their technology, the better. See what happened to the Internet. Because we kept relying on it, we're now all living in East Germany under the watchful eye of a new and improved STASI.
    - mikeash 11y ago
      Right, but the claim was that without the involvement of the US military, we'd have been better off. Which then means that either somebody else would have paid for a better GPS system, or that some other system would have been put up and operational by 2000. So, like I asked: which alternative system would have been ready by 2000 if not for the US military, or what other entity would have paid for GPS if not the US military?

stefantalpalaru 11y ago

Pecunia non olet.

drzaiusapelord 11y ago

>Kessler syndrome The largest and most optional cloud of space junk was a propagandist military display by the Chinese Communist Party in 2007 to show the world where their missile tech is going. http://www.space.com/3415-china-anti-satellite-test-worrisome-debris-cloud-circles-earth.html http://www.space.com/3415-china-anti-satellite-test-worrisom... >The satellite's destruction is now being viewed as the most prolific and severe fragmentation in the course of five decades of space operations. SpaceX works for the CCP now? Oh, right, mindless anti-US hyperbole that is upvote bait for anti-US HN'ers.