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Mark Shuttleworth orders Kubuntu leader to step down

15 points by arnieswap 11y ago

a3n 11y ago
May I suggest a separate project, a la LinuxMint. Perhaps LinuxKawakawa or another k-herb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_culinary_herbs_and_spices#K https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_culinary_herbs_and_spi...
- yellowapple 11y ago
  Or they could merge into (or absorb) the KDE flavor of Linux Mint (which - IMO - is more-or-less redundant given Kubuntu's continued existence), taking over the development of the Mint+KDE and LMDE+KDE projects (thus leaving the main Mint folks to focus on Mint/LMDE with Cinnamon and MATE (and Xfce, but I personally think that Xubuntu should follow Kubuntu's footsteps and absorb Mint/LMDE+Xfce). To me, this particular Canonikerfluffle is just yet another straw on a camel's already-broken back.
  - a3n 11y ago
    Even better, both times.
krisdol 11y ago
Am I missing something? So what happened was that 1) a founder of Kubuntu truthfully stated that money from Ubuntu-oriented donations didn't go to Kubuntu 2) It was discovered that a developer of Kubuntu was listed as the recipient of some of this funding, but didn't actually receive any of this money due to an alleged clerical error 3) The clerical error has not been corrected, and a founder of Kubuntu has been asked to step down as a representative of the Kubuntu community/council by the CEO of Ubuntu's parent company I don't understand how anything that anyone did on the Kubuntu side warranted this reaction. Not only that, it's not clear to me what level of authority Canonical's executives have over the Kubuntu community in the first place. Is this the full story? Why do CC/ShuttleworthCo care this much?
- a3n 11y ago
  > Why do CC/ShuttleworthCo care this much? Because they're being challenged by pesky non-employees who are harder to control than employees who've signed a STFU agreement and like their paycheck.
- shadeslayer 11y ago
  Not exactly, the problem was that Canonical collected some money during 2012 to 2013 that was supposedly earmarked for Ubuntu flavors. However, there is no accounting for that money at the moment, though something is being worked on. There's also the much heated debate about Canonical's IP licensing policy which is quite vague and broad IMHO. It also goes against the FOSS licenses such as the GPL and LGPL. Jonathan bought this up with the Ubuntu CC and has been pursuing this for 3 years, without much luck so far. He raised the issue again recently and has been reprimanded for supposedly using language that violates the CoC, however there has so far been no evidence backing this claim. Due to the above the CC and Mark Shuttleworth have asked Jonathan to leave leadership positions within Ubuntu. Disclosure: I'm on the Kubuntu Council, so I might have a biased opinion. These are purely personal views.

15 points by arnieswap 11y ago

a3n 11y ago

May I suggest a separate project, a la LinuxMint. Perhaps LinuxKawakawa or another k-herb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_culinary_herbs_and_spices#K https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_culinary_herbs_and_spi...

yellowapple 11y ago
Or they could merge into (or absorb) the KDE flavor of Linux Mint (which - IMO - is more-or-less redundant given Kubuntu's continued existence), taking over the development of the Mint+KDE and LMDE+KDE projects (thus leaving the main Mint folks to focus on Mint/LMDE with Cinnamon and MATE (and Xfce, but I personally think that Xubuntu should follow Kubuntu's footsteps and absorb Mint/LMDE+Xfce). To me, this particular Canonikerfluffle is just yet another straw on a camel's already-broken back.
- a3n 11y ago
  Even better, both times.

krisdol 11y ago

Am I missing something? So what happened was that 1) a founder of Kubuntu truthfully stated that money from Ubuntu-oriented donations didn't go to Kubuntu 2) It was discovered that a developer of Kubuntu was listed as the recipient of some of this funding, but didn't actually receive any of this money due to an alleged clerical error 3) The clerical error has not been corrected, and a founder of Kubuntu has been asked to step down as a representative of the Kubuntu community/council by the CEO of Ubuntu's parent company I don't understand how anything that anyone did on the Kubuntu side warranted this reaction. Not only that, it's not clear to me what level of authority Canonical's executives have over the Kubuntu community in the first place. Is this the full story? Why do CC/ShuttleworthCo care this much?

a3n 11y ago
> Why do CC/ShuttleworthCo care this much? Because they're being challenged by pesky non-employees who are harder to control than employees who've signed a STFU agreement and like their paycheck.
shadeslayer 11y ago
Not exactly, the problem was that Canonical collected some money during 2012 to 2013 that was supposedly earmarked for Ubuntu flavors. However, there is no accounting for that money at the moment, though something is being worked on. There's also the much heated debate about Canonical's IP licensing policy which is quite vague and broad IMHO. It also goes against the FOSS licenses such as the GPL and LGPL. Jonathan bought this up with the Ubuntu CC and has been pursuing this for 3 years, without much luck so far. He raised the issue again recently and has been reprimanded for supposedly using language that violates the CoC, however there has so far been no evidence backing this claim. Due to the above the CC and Mark Shuttleworth have asked Jonathan to leave leadership positions within Ubuntu. Disclosure: I'm on the Kubuntu Council, so I might have a biased opinion. These are purely personal views.