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New Linux releases always remind me that I'm in the minority (??) for not giving a single ...care... about the desktop version of the OSes. Mac OS is great for

New Linux releases always remind me that I'm in the minority (??) for not giving a single ...care... about the desktop version of the OSes. Mac OS is great for a workstation OS (better user experience, application support). Linux for me is very much a CLI-only experience. Edit: I mean to say that I only use linux for servers, typically web servers. I personally have no use for linux desktops. In theory they'd be nice (Docker running natively on Mac would be a dream) but I need Photoshop/Word products and really do not need to deal with the random issues of Linux desktops (e.g. getting wifi to work, dealing with sound driver funkiness, getting drivers/off-brand productivity apps, etc)

zxcvcxz 11y ago
> Linux for me is very much a CLI-only experience. What's it like in 1999? >really do not need to deal with the random issues of Linux desktops (e.g. getting wifi to work, dealing with sound driver funkiness, getting drivers/off-brand productivity apps Personally I have bigger problems with Apple products. OS X has all sorts of random issues(and even worse driver support). People like to pretend like Apple products "just work" but the reality is that OS X is just as buggy (if not more so) as Linux. The fact that Apple curates the hardware for their devices and has their OS coupled tightly to their ecosystem means these problems are inexcusable, they only need to ensure the OS works on around 5 models but they can't even get that right: Sound not working after upgrade on OS X: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/151045/why-is-the-audio-is-not-working-after-upgrading-to-yosemite http://www.iphonetopics.com/no-sound-after-upgrading-to-os-x-yosemite/ https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6606695 [the list could go on] Wifi not working in OS X: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/30/yosemite-wi-fi-connection-issues/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/01/30/os-x-10-10-2-yosemite-wi-fi-problems/ http://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/the-worst-bugs-in-os-x-yosemite-and-how-to-fix-them-1652690924 [the list could go on] Upgrade disasters: http://www.macworld.com/article/2837811/bugs-and-fixes-solving-a-yosemite-post-install-disaster.html http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/161368/mac-os-x-yosemite-broke-my-imac There are over 500 Ubuntu Certified PCs whereas there are ~5 current Apple models. It's astonishing that apple users go out of their way to buy specific hardware just to get OS X up and running but refuse to do the same thing for other OS's, then go and claim that OS X "just works". I assume most apple users attempt to install Linux on their macbook only to find that Apple has made this process extremely hard and deliberately chosen hardware that uses closed source drivers that are hard to get on other operating systems, then they blame Linux. Imagine if the situation was turned around and you were trying to install OS X on your Ubuntu Certified PC. Would it still "just work"? I'd wager installing OS X on anything that isn't a mac is a bigger headache than installing any other OS anywhere. It would be like me building a custom computer, creating my own OS that only works on that computer, and then claiming my OS is good because it "just works" on my one specific machine. OS X has the worst hardware support of any OS. You can get better hardware support and a computer/OS that "just works" by taking the time and energy you took to buy a PC specifically made to run OS X and use it to buy a PC specifically made to run Linux.
- timc3 11y ago
  Not everyone uses or needs a desktop on a OS. Personally I think anyone that installs a GUI on a server obviously doesn’t know what they are doing.
- 0xCMP 11y ago
  Great. It's a little cloudy though...
themodelplumber 11y ago
I find that I care very much about desktop versions whether I'm on Mac or Linux. On Mac OS, it's been "is my CAD app ready for me to upgrade to Yosemite yet? Because I really need that weird behavior with system app X fixed." On my Linux desktop sitting next to the MacBook, it's been "I have everything just right, but the latest version fixes the memory leak in cups-browser!" In both cases the version question is very much in play.
keithpeter 11y ago
You are not alone in your views http://rob.pike.usesthis.com/ http://rob.pike.usesthis.com/ I used to tweak and customise, now I use defaults and transfer what I laughingly refer to my 'environment' over to a new install by copying some dotfiles a few scripts and my actual work files across (I'm not a programmer). I use GNU\Linux because I can install it on recycled commodity hardware (currently Thinkpads with the older longer travel keyboards) without hackintoshing around, and the desktop software available supports my needs. There are server-relevant changes in this new Fedora release.

zxcvcxz 11y ago

> Linux for me is very much a CLI-only experience. What's it like in 1999? >really do not need to deal with the random issues of Linux desktops (e.g. getting wifi to work, dealing with sound driver funkiness, getting drivers/off-brand productivity apps Personally I have bigger problems with Apple products. OS X has all sorts of random issues(and even worse driver support). People like to pretend like Apple products "just work" but the reality is that OS X is just as buggy (if not more so) as Linux. The fact that Apple curates the hardware for their devices and has their OS coupled tightly to their ecosystem means these problems are inexcusable, they only need to ensure the OS works on around 5 models but they can't even get that right: Sound not working after upgrade on OS X: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/151045/why-is-the-audio-is-not-working-after-upgrading-to-yosemite http://www.iphonetopics.com/no-sound-after-upgrading-to-os-x-yosemite/ https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6606695 [the list could go on] Wifi not working in OS X: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/30/yosemite-wi-fi-connection-issues/ http://osxdaily.com/2015/01/30/os-x-10-10-2-yosemite-wi-fi-problems/ http://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/the-worst-bugs-in-os-x-yosemite-and-how-to-fix-them-1652690924 [the list could go on] Upgrade disasters: http://www.macworld.com/article/2837811/bugs-and-fixes-solving-a-yosemite-post-install-disaster.html http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/161368/mac-os-x-yosemite-broke-my-imac There are over 500 Ubuntu Certified PCs whereas there are ~5 current Apple models. It's astonishing that apple users go out of their way to buy specific hardware just to get OS X up and running but refuse to do the same thing for other OS's, then go and claim that OS X "just works". I assume most apple users attempt to install Linux on their macbook only to find that Apple has made this process extremely hard and deliberately chosen hardware that uses closed source drivers that are hard to get on other operating systems, then they blame Linux. Imagine if the situation was turned around and you were trying to install OS X on your Ubuntu Certified PC. Would it still "just work"? I'd wager installing OS X on anything that isn't a mac is a bigger headache than installing any other OS anywhere. It would be like me building a custom computer, creating my own OS that only works on that computer, and then claiming my OS is good because it "just works" on my one specific machine. OS X has the worst hardware support of any OS. You can get better hardware support and a computer/OS that "just works" by taking the time and energy you took to buy a PC specifically made to run OS X and use it to buy a PC specifically made to run Linux.

timc3 11y ago
Not everyone uses or needs a desktop on a OS. Personally I think anyone that installs a GUI on a server obviously doesn’t know what they are doing.
0xCMP 11y ago
Great. It's a little cloudy though...

themodelplumber 11y ago

I find that I care very much about desktop versions whether I'm on Mac or Linux. On Mac OS, it's been "is my CAD app ready for me to upgrade to Yosemite yet? Because I really need that weird behavior with system app X fixed." On my Linux desktop sitting next to the MacBook, it's been "I have everything just right, but the latest version fixes the memory leak in cups-browser!" In both cases the version question is very much in play.

keithpeter 11y ago

You are not alone in your views http://rob.pike.usesthis.com/ http://rob.pike.usesthis.com/ I used to tweak and customise, now I use defaults and transfer what I laughingly refer to my 'environment' over to a new install by copying some dotfiles a few scripts and my actual work files across (I'm not a programmer). I use GNU\Linux because I can install it on recycled commodity hardware (currently Thinkpads with the older longer travel keyboards) without hackintoshing around, and the desktop software available supports my needs. There are server-relevant changes in this new Fedora release.