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That's definitely not the message you send when you start interrogating someone about their background like that.

by LLWM 11y ago

rorykoehler 11y ago
All I was doing was pointing out that his life experiences are nothing but a fantasy to all but less than 1% of the world's population. I have never met someone who has no choice but to work in a whatever job they can find have such skewed views so your subsistence farmer proposition is highly if not completely improbable. Sillygoose was born with more economic purchasing power than most people will ever achieve in their whole lifetime no matter how hard they work. If sillygoose wants to be taken seriously he should first of all deal with the core premise of what we are talking about rather than make up something that he can then argue against even though it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. When he says "We should all just get whatever we want, because we deserve it!" he has made up a premise that no one else suggested to discredit a perfectly viable suggestion (UBI). That adds nothing to the conversation and deserves to be called out.
- sillygoose 11y ago
  If you want to be taken seriously, you need to be able to differentiate between subjective and objective things ("there is no right or wrong") for starters. Then it would be great if you could just accept valid points when they're staring you in the face. My purchasing power or personal history has nothing to do with whether handing out things that cost something to produce is sustainable or not. Hint: it's not. But nevermind. So much sophistry is spewing out of your mouth that you're most likely a psychopath. Yes, I realize I haven't proven anything, so there's no need to point that out. I'm either right or I'm wrong.. and yes, here in the real world, there's this thing called "truth".
- LLWM 11y ago
  Where "skewed views" primarily means "opposing the idea of a universal basic income based on the moral principle that people should earn what they receive"? Because that's what I got out of his comment.
  - rorykoehler 11y ago
    Exactly. How can someone who was born with more economic purchasing power than what most of the worlds population can achieve in a lifetime have the view that people have to earn what they receive? Did he earn the right to be born into a wealthy family? The world is not that simple and doesn't work on such one dimensional premises. Once that is acknowledged then there is a foundation upon which a discussion can be built.
    - LLWM 11y ago
      Why not? Someone whose mother died giving birth to them can still believe murder is wrong. Heck, even someone who has consciously murdered another person as an adult can believe that. Humans are rarely capable of perfectly following their own moral codes, but that doesn't make that morality invalid. Especially when the "violation" happened as a circumstance of someone's birth that they themselves had no control over.
  - sillygoose 11y ago
    I'm opposed to the idea of UBI for two main reasons: 1) It's not economically viable/sustainable. 2) Taxation is extortion anyway. And yeah, people should earn what they receive too. The guy you're responding to is at the very least intellectually dishonest, and probably a psychopath playing games with us. In total, I've wasted massive effort on trying to debate people who were just plain dishonest. Old habits die hard.

That's definitely not the message you send when you start interrogating someone about their background like that.

by LLWM 11y ago

That's definitely not the message you send when you start interrogating someone about their background like that.

All I was doing was pointing out that his life experiences are nothing but a fantasy to all but less than 1% of the world's population. I have never met someone who has no choice but to work in a whatever job they can find have such skewed views so your subsistence farmer proposition is highly if not completely improbable. Sillygoose was born with more economic purchasing power than most people will ever achieve in their whole lifetime no matter how hard they work. If sillygoose wants to be taken seriously he should first of all deal with the core premise of what we are talking about rather than make up something that he can then argue against even though it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. When he says "We should all just get whatever we want, because we deserve it!" he has made up a premise that no one else suggested to discredit a perfectly viable suggestion (UBI). That adds nothing to the conversation and deserves to be called out.

sillygoose 11y ago
If you want to be taken seriously, you need to be able to differentiate between subjective and objective things ("there is no right or wrong") for starters. Then it would be great if you could just accept valid points when they're staring you in the face. My purchasing power or personal history has nothing to do with whether handing out things that cost something to produce is sustainable or not. Hint: it's not. But nevermind. So much sophistry is spewing out of your mouth that you're most likely a psychopath. Yes, I realize I haven't proven anything, so there's no need to point that out. I'm either right or I'm wrong.. and yes, here in the real world, there's this thing called "truth".
LLWM 11y ago
Where "skewed views" primarily means "opposing the idea of a universal basic income based on the moral principle that people should earn what they receive"? Because that's what I got out of his comment.
- rorykoehler 11y ago
  Exactly. How can someone who was born with more economic purchasing power than what most of the worlds population can achieve in a lifetime have the view that people have to earn what they receive? Did he earn the right to be born into a wealthy family? The world is not that simple and doesn't work on such one dimensional premises. Once that is acknowledged then there is a foundation upon which a discussion can be built.
  - LLWM 11y ago
    Why not? Someone whose mother died giving birth to them can still believe murder is wrong. Heck, even someone who has consciously murdered another person as an adult can believe that. Humans are rarely capable of perfectly following their own moral codes, but that doesn't make that morality invalid. Especially when the "violation" happened as a circumstance of someone's birth that they themselves had no control over.
- sillygoose 11y ago
  I'm opposed to the idea of UBI for two main reasons: 1) It's not economically viable/sustainable. 2) Taxation is extortion anyway. And yeah, people should earn what they receive too. The guy you're responding to is at the very least intellectually dishonest, and probably a psychopath playing games with us. In total, I've wasted massive effort on trying to debate people who were just plain dishonest. Old habits die hard.