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Top article on the front page of Hacker News as I write this, and not a single positive comment below. Great job, guys... To the author: I think the homepage

Top article on the front page of Hacker News as I write this, and not a single positive comment below. Great job, guys... To the author: I think the homepage looks great, the examples are clear and informative, and I would definitely give this a try if I weren't wed to a couple of other frameworks right now.

rattray 11y ago
I think a lot of the negativity has to do with the marketing. This isn't being sold as "a cool thing I made", but "Better MV-ish Framework" and "Faster than React". If you try to position it as better than existing alternatives, HN commenters will tear it down if they don't think it makes the cut. If you put it out as "exploring interesting new approaches", I think you're likely to see a lot less negativity here. Compare to the launch of Mithril: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7421652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7421652 EDIT: Actually, revisiting this, the problem may be more with the fact that it hit the front page than the fact it has a lot of negative comments. If nobody here seems to like it, how did it get 182 upvotes? That seems like a problem with our community, eg; upvoting before actually looking at the article. (Note: I don't mean to comment on whether this is a good framework, just that the HN community doesn't seem to like it much).
- astoilkov 11y ago
  You are totally correct. I believe it could have taken another direction if I have done this. It is hard to be compared to React built by Facebook but I started first. :)
- bshimmin 11y ago
  Absolutely fair points. Another one: the general weariness with which new JS frameworks are greeted has increased massively in the 433 days since Mithril was posted here.
- alexc05 11y ago
  on record: I loved working in Mithril and am a huge fan of Leo one of the nicest guys around.
- rattray 11y ago
  @dang, if you're listening, an idea: make the "upvote" buttons invisible on stories that the user hasn't visited before. This could be done like so: // css a.upvote-botton:visited { visibility: hidden };  <a href="{article_link}" onclick="perform_upvote()" class="upvote-button">upvote triangle</a> The href & onclick handlers would need to be added in javascript so as not to affect hn for non-js users.
  - svl 11y ago
    That doesn't actually work in pretty much any browser, since it allows for history-mining by a malicious site. :visited styling changed a couple of years ago to only honor color changes, thus preventing most ways of exploiting that issue. http://dbaron.org/mozilla/visited-privacy http://dbaron.org/mozilla/visited-privacy is one of the better resources explaining the issue more fully. I guess you could create the triangle solely with CSS borders, and then style the border-color to be the same color as the background when not :visited
    - kansface 11y ago
      Could you not just render the anchor out of the view port and look at its color?
    - rattray 11y ago
      Ah, good catch. You would just do `color: white` then, no?
- spdionis 11y ago
  I think upvoting means promoting discussion, not necessarily liking the article linked.

rattray 11y ago

I think a lot of the negativity has to do with the marketing. This isn't being sold as "a cool thing I made", but "Better MV-ish Framework" and "Faster than React". If you try to position it as better than existing alternatives, HN commenters will tear it down if they don't think it makes the cut. If you put it out as "exploring interesting new approaches", I think you're likely to see a lot less negativity here. Compare to the launch of Mithril: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7421652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7421652 EDIT: Actually, revisiting this, the problem may be more with the fact that it hit the front page than the fact it has a lot of negative comments. If nobody here seems to like it, how did it get 182 upvotes? That seems like a problem with our community, eg; upvoting before actually looking at the article. (Note: I don't mean to comment on whether this is a good framework, just that the HN community doesn't seem to like it much).

astoilkov 11y ago
You are totally correct. I believe it could have taken another direction if I have done this. It is hard to be compared to React built by Facebook but I started first. :)
bshimmin 11y ago
Absolutely fair points. Another one: the general weariness with which new JS frameworks are greeted has increased massively in the 433 days since Mithril was posted here.
alexc05 11y ago
on record: I loved working in Mithril and am a huge fan of Leo one of the nicest guys around.
rattray 11y ago
@dang, if you're listening, an idea: make the "upvote" buttons invisible on stories that the user hasn't visited before. This could be done like so: // css a.upvote-botton:visited { visibility: hidden };  <a href="{article_link}" onclick="perform_upvote()" class="upvote-button">upvote triangle</a> The href & onclick handlers would need to be added in javascript so as not to affect hn for non-js users.
- svl 11y ago
  That doesn't actually work in pretty much any browser, since it allows for history-mining by a malicious site. :visited styling changed a couple of years ago to only honor color changes, thus preventing most ways of exploiting that issue. http://dbaron.org/mozilla/visited-privacy http://dbaron.org/mozilla/visited-privacy is one of the better resources explaining the issue more fully. I guess you could create the triangle solely with CSS borders, and then style the border-color to be the same color as the background when not :visited
  - kansface 11y ago
    Could you not just render the anchor out of the view port and look at its color?
  - rattray 11y ago
    Ah, good catch. You would just do `color: white` then, no?
spdionis 11y ago
I think upvoting means promoting discussion, not necessarily liking the article linked.