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I'm halfway through the article, and I have to say, I've never read a more brutal review. > The other really weird thing missing is any kind of battery backup

I'm halfway through the article, and I have to say, I've never read a more brutal review. > The other really weird thing missing is any kind of battery backup for the time. If the phone loses power, the time and date gets reset, leaving it looking like an old VCR blinking "12:00." This seems insane for a device released just a few months ago... when you can get a lumia, which is very reasonable, for just 5$ more, why would anyone bother with this?

pjc50 11y ago
Provided it reacquires time as soon as it has a data connection, that's not unreasonable. The point of the Firefox phone was always to have an OS that was open in ways that Android isn't. That was never going to come in cheapest.
- seba_dos1 11y ago
  Sadly, they aren't really living up to that point. Firefox OS works basically like AOSP - it's up to vendor to provide you unlocked environment (or not). It's not even on a requirement list when you want to market your device using Firefox OS brand. Phones like ZTE Open often came with blocked bootloader you had to "jailbreak" to upgrade FxOS by yourself - seems familiar, doesn't it? Some time ago I tried to compile Firefox OS to GTA04 - a hardware upgrade for Openmoko Neo Freerunner. It's pretty much the most open mobile phone out there these days, allowing you to run basically any GNU/Linux distro you'd want on it. I failed - available documentation is lacking; or actually, it focuses on something completely different. It assumes that you either have a Android phone and goes to great extent describing how to extract non-free binary blobs from your current system and apply them to FxOS, or you have a great knowledge of Android build system and you can handle everything by yourself. GTA04 isn't Android based - while there is Replicant build working on it, it's still closer to standard PC way than Android phones when it comes to stuff like booting etc. Not having much experience with Android from developer side, I simply got lost in all those clearly Android-based instructions. You'd at least think that Gonk, the hardware abstraction layer of Firefox OS implemented on top of Android base system, would be just a compatibility measure for dealing with vendors that only provide Android support. It's not the case - even though Honk (a Gonk reimplementation based on standard GNU/Unix way of how systems work) exists, it was contributed as a part of experimental Raspberry Pi port and is not really maintained ever since. It makes me sad, cause Firefox OS had the potential to actually move smartphones in general towards being a little more open platforms, which is always close to my heart as a long-time Openmoko and OpenPhoenux supporter and contributor, but sadly this aspect got basically ignored by Mozilla itself and they went with pragmatic "let's just make it work, even if it means having non-free low-level androidware under our free OS layer" :(
  - soapdog 11y ago
    The main thing is that Mozilla does not have an free and open RIL to use. Also Firefox OS is a partnership with hardware vendors and folks such as ZTE, LG, TCL don't see value in opening the bootloader. The baseband providers don't see value in opening the RIL... and so it goes.
    - seba_dos1 11y ago
      Where it comes to Android, there is already Hayes-RIL for AT based basebands. There are of course also freesmartphone.org's fsogsmd and oFono. You could probably develop an Android layer on top of them if you wanted, bringing great value not just to Firefox OS, but also to AOSP itself.
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soapdog 11y ago
Lumias are subsidized by Microsoft. They can sell them at a loss. Mozilla does not make hardware. Partners make hardware and they need to recover their cost. I have a couple FxOS phones in here, they all have time set just fine. I don't have the 35$ device though.

pjc50 11y ago

Provided it reacquires time as soon as it has a data connection, that's not unreasonable. The point of the Firefox phone was always to have an OS that was open in ways that Android isn't. That was never going to come in cheapest.

seba_dos1 11y ago
Sadly, they aren't really living up to that point. Firefox OS works basically like AOSP - it's up to vendor to provide you unlocked environment (or not). It's not even on a requirement list when you want to market your device using Firefox OS brand. Phones like ZTE Open often came with blocked bootloader you had to "jailbreak" to upgrade FxOS by yourself - seems familiar, doesn't it? Some time ago I tried to compile Firefox OS to GTA04 - a hardware upgrade for Openmoko Neo Freerunner. It's pretty much the most open mobile phone out there these days, allowing you to run basically any GNU/Linux distro you'd want on it. I failed - available documentation is lacking; or actually, it focuses on something completely different. It assumes that you either have a Android phone and goes to great extent describing how to extract non-free binary blobs from your current system and apply them to FxOS, or you have a great knowledge of Android build system and you can handle everything by yourself. GTA04 isn't Android based - while there is Replicant build working on it, it's still closer to standard PC way than Android phones when it comes to stuff like booting etc. Not having much experience with Android from developer side, I simply got lost in all those clearly Android-based instructions. You'd at least think that Gonk, the hardware abstraction layer of Firefox OS implemented on top of Android base system, would be just a compatibility measure for dealing with vendors that only provide Android support. It's not the case - even though Honk (a Gonk reimplementation based on standard GNU/Unix way of how systems work) exists, it was contributed as a part of experimental Raspberry Pi port and is not really maintained ever since. It makes me sad, cause Firefox OS had the potential to actually move smartphones in general towards being a little more open platforms, which is always close to my heart as a long-time Openmoko and OpenPhoenux supporter and contributor, but sadly this aspect got basically ignored by Mozilla itself and they went with pragmatic "let's just make it work, even if it means having non-free low-level androidware under our free OS layer" :(
- soapdog 11y ago
  The main thing is that Mozilla does not have an free and open RIL to use. Also Firefox OS is a partnership with hardware vendors and folks such as ZTE, LG, TCL don't see value in opening the bootloader. The baseband providers don't see value in opening the RIL... and so it goes.
  - seba_dos1 11y ago
    Where it comes to Android, there is already Hayes-RIL for AT based basebands. There are of course also freesmartphone.org's fsogsmd and oFono. You could probably develop an Android layer on top of them if you wanted, bringing great value not just to Firefox OS, but also to AOSP itself.
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soapdog 11y ago

Lumias are subsidized by Microsoft. They can sell them at a loss. Mozilla does not make hardware. Partners make hardware and they need to recover their cost. I have a couple FxOS phones in here, they all have time set just fine. I don't have the 35$ device though.