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They aren't making shit vehicles any more. They had a shit management (i.e. GM), but the brands themselves are making great cars.

by Aoyagi 11y ago

kazinator 11y ago
> They had a shit management (i.e. GM) Who are "they" and who is their management now?
- bliti 11y ago
  Management is not about a who. Its about a culture.
- chiph 11y ago
  Rick Wagoner was in charge back then. A company man, he was myopic as to anything happening outside the firm. The White House requested he resign (The Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules) because of the firm's impending bankruptcy and lack of confidence in his leadership abilities (GM having lost $84 billion while he was in charge). The current CEO is Mary Barra. She seems to be talented and getting the firm going in the right direction, but was basically handed a shit sandwich. I wish her luck.
bliti 11y ago
Let's use some data around the amount of recalls for different brands: http://projects.marketwatch.com/2014/gm-recalls-the-numbers-tell-a-surprising-story/ http://projects.marketwatch.com/2014/gm-recalls-the-numbers-... Per wikipedia: A product recall is a request to return a product after the discovery of safety issues or product defects that might endanger the consumer or put the maker/seller at risk of legal action. The company with the highest recalls (per data provided in link above) makes great cars. Great cars that manage to kill people for the mere act of driving them normally.
- kw71 11y ago
  I laughed a bit when I saw the collection of "Share of vehicles in operation vs. share of recalls" bargraphs. I am thinking here that where the "% recalled" bar is higher than the "% in service" for a model year this is derogatory for the particular make. So it looks like Consumer Reports' favorites are having bad times: Both Toyota and Honda had a higher share of recalls than vehicles in service for five model years. Also for any model year until 2014, from these bargraphs it appears that GM has not had a higher percentage of recalled cars than others: 2008 may be close, 2009 beaten by Ford, 2010 by Toyota, 2011 by Toyota Honda and Chrysler, 2011 by Toyota Ford and Chrysler, 2012 by four makes, 2013 by five makes. Looks like 2014 was a sad model year for GM and do-overs.
  - bliti 11y ago
    You are right. Those vehicles having issues for Honda and toyota are those who are made in America or have major components made there. They share a lot of suppliers. Which is am underlying issue. No amount of kaizen is gonna fix a broken supply chain.
- Aoyagi 11y ago
  Oh, so Toyota makes shit cars too. Cool.

They aren't making shit vehicles any more. They had a shit management (i.e. GM), but the brands themselves are making great cars.

by Aoyagi 11y ago

They aren't making shit vehicles any more. They had a shit management (i.e. GM), but the brands themselves are making great cars.

kazinator 11y ago

> They had a shit management (i.e. GM) Who are "they" and who is their management now?

bliti 11y ago
Management is not about a who. Its about a culture.
chiph 11y ago
Rick Wagoner was in charge back then. A company man, he was myopic as to anything happening outside the firm. The White House requested he resign (The Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules) because of the firm's impending bankruptcy and lack of confidence in his leadership abilities (GM having lost $84 billion while he was in charge). The current CEO is Mary Barra. She seems to be talented and getting the firm going in the right direction, but was basically handed a shit sandwich. I wish her luck.

bliti 11y ago

Let's use some data around the amount of recalls for different brands: http://projects.marketwatch.com/2014/gm-recalls-the-numbers-tell-a-surprising-story/ http://projects.marketwatch.com/2014/gm-recalls-the-numbers-... Per wikipedia: A product recall is a request to return a product after the discovery of safety issues or product defects that might endanger the consumer or put the maker/seller at risk of legal action. The company with the highest recalls (per data provided in link above) makes great cars. Great cars that manage to kill people for the mere act of driving them normally.

kw71 11y ago
I laughed a bit when I saw the collection of "Share of vehicles in operation vs. share of recalls" bargraphs. I am thinking here that where the "% recalled" bar is higher than the "% in service" for a model year this is derogatory for the particular make. So it looks like Consumer Reports' favorites are having bad times: Both Toyota and Honda had a higher share of recalls than vehicles in service for five model years. Also for any model year until 2014, from these bargraphs it appears that GM has not had a higher percentage of recalled cars than others: 2008 may be close, 2009 beaten by Ford, 2010 by Toyota, 2011 by Toyota Honda and Chrysler, 2011 by Toyota Ford and Chrysler, 2012 by four makes, 2013 by five makes. Looks like 2014 was a sad model year for GM and do-overs.
- bliti 11y ago
  You are right. Those vehicles having issues for Honda and toyota are those who are made in America or have major components made there. They share a lot of suppliers. Which is am underlying issue. No amount of kaizen is gonna fix a broken supply chain.
Aoyagi 11y ago
Oh, so Toyota makes shit cars too. Cool.