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It's funny how they keep insisting the program works and fall back on FUD when asked why we should continue. Facts don't register with these guys.

drawkbox 11y ago
"But the rise of ISIS will continue" they say, and they sure did while the program was going on as well. So using a justification that existed and grew while the programs existed just proves they are for other reasons. Other parts of the law are also bogus 'terrorism' reasoning including sneak and peek searches: First, the numbers: Law enforcement made 47 sneak-and-peek searches nationwide from September 2001 to April 2003. The 2010 report reveals 3,970 total requests were processed. Within three years that number jumped to 11,129. That's an increase of over 7,000 requests. Exactly what privacy advocates argued in 2001 is happening: sneak and peak warrants are not just being used in exceptional circumstances—which was their original intent—but as an everyday investigative tool. Second, the uses: Out of the 3,970 total requests from October 1, 2009 to September 30, 2010, 3,034 were for narcotics cases and only 37 for terrorism cases (about .9%). Since then, the numbers get worse. The 2011 report reveals a total of 6,775 requests. 5,093 were used for drugs, while only 31 (or .5%) were used for terrorism cases. The 2012 report follows a similar pattern: Only .6%, or 58 requests, dealt with terrorism cases. The 2013 report confirms the incredibly low numbers. Out of 11,129 reports only 51, or .5%, of requests were used for terrorism. The majority of requests were overwhelmingly for narcotics cases, which tapped out at 9,401 requests. So with this one known tool "sneek-and-peek" searches (which in my opinion violate the 4th), over 99% were used for domestic crime rather than terrorism. Question: What is wrong with normal justice + law system for domestic crime? Answer: it is easier to use war powers with no checks and absolute power corrupts absolutely. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/peekaboo-i-see-you-government-uses-authority-meant-terrorism-other-uses https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/peekaboo-i-see-you-gov...

drawkbox 11y ago

"But the rise of ISIS will continue" they say, and they sure did while the program was going on as well. So using a justification that existed and grew while the programs existed just proves they are for other reasons. Other parts of the law are also bogus 'terrorism' reasoning including sneak and peek searches: First, the numbers: Law enforcement made 47 sneak-and-peek searches nationwide from September 2001 to April 2003. The 2010 report reveals 3,970 total requests were processed. Within three years that number jumped to 11,129. That's an increase of over 7,000 requests. Exactly what privacy advocates argued in 2001 is happening: sneak and peak warrants are not just being used in exceptional circumstances—which was their original intent—but as an everyday investigative tool. Second, the uses: Out of the 3,970 total requests from October 1, 2009 to September 30, 2010, 3,034 were for narcotics cases and only 37 for terrorism cases (about .9%). Since then, the numbers get worse. The 2011 report reveals a total of 6,775 requests. 5,093 were used for drugs, while only 31 (or .5%) were used for terrorism cases. The 2012 report follows a similar pattern: Only .6%, or 58 requests, dealt with terrorism cases. The 2013 report confirms the incredibly low numbers. Out of 11,129 reports only 51, or .5%, of requests were used for terrorism. The majority of requests were overwhelmingly for narcotics cases, which tapped out at 9,401 requests. So with this one known tool "sneek-and-peek" searches (which in my opinion violate the 4th), over 99% were used for domestic crime rather than terrorism. Question: What is wrong with normal justice + law system for domestic crime? Answer: it is easier to use war powers with no checks and absolute power corrupts absolutely. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/peekaboo-i-see-you-government-uses-authority-meant-terrorism-other-uses https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/10/peekaboo-i-see-you-gov...