> I'd also argue that a civil engineer is an entirely different beast from the actual laborers, who I was referring to. My understanding of a CE in that scenari

> I'd also argue that a civil engineer is an entirely different beast from the actual laborers, who I was referring to. My understanding of a CE in that scenario is more of a planning and overseeing role (correct me if I'm wrong about that). You'd ordinarily be right, but as an interesting quirk of how things are run out where my Father is he's down in the trenches with the rest of them :)