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You're missing the point. The statement relates to investment of time and reward for that investment. If an investment of many years results in a salary equival

by fixxer 11y ago

You're missing the point. The statement relates to investment of time and reward for that investment. If an investment of many years results in a salary equivalent to that of a clerk or barista, then the system does not value individual effort or intelligence and is thus inefficient. This is a valid argument against socialist economies and one that progressives here in the States are really uncomfortable with. I have been to Cuba and I met a cardiologist who made the same as the local fish monger. Rediculous. Fuck everyone who wants to correct the ills of this country by forcing that asinine logic upon us.

ZanyProgrammer 11y ago
You're assuming that people like this models from an Econ 101 textbook.
- greedo 11y ago
  Capitalism isn't perfect, but it is very efficient at determining value. The value of work is largely based on difficulty; the more difficult a skill, the more it pays. The higher pay attracts more people capable of mastering that skill, thus earning the higher pay. If you simply say everyone should make the same regardless of skill, then you diminish the value of both the skill, and the effort used to master the skill.
  - pnut 11y ago
    I'm inclined to agree with you, except for the massive, glaring exception of inherited wealth/passive income. If you're just talking about the peons trading labor for money, then yes, more or less. But there's another class of folks, and my anecdotal evidence is that they're freaking everywhere, overflowing with unearned wealth. I'm nobody from nowhere and I know many of these people, and they'd be screwed if they had to go through what I have. The veneer of meritocratic capitalism in America should be at the breaking point IMO. But this is a vulgar place so I'm probably wrong.
    - fixxer 11y ago
      Nothing you are referring to is limited to America or capitalism. Even with incarnations of economic systems that are purported to solve inequality, who your daddy is matters. Take away wealth and humans will find some other system for status. The argument for capitalism is not about equality, but relative mobility compared to other systems. That mobility creates incentive and thus growth.
      - intopieces 11y ago
        >Nothing you are referring to is limited to America or capitalism. Fair enough. Let's call it all equal then. >The argument for capitalism is not about equality, but relative mobility compared to other systems. The argument for socialism (or socialism-like endeavors) is about equality; when societies are more equal, 'relative mobility' is less important, because the place you're in is less likely to be so horrible that you're dying to get out of it.
        fixxer 11y ago
        You missed "In theory" at the beginning of your second response.
  - sampo 11y ago
    I think in a lot of countries (including USA) there is a medical doctor's workers union or somesuch successfully lobbying for a regulation on the number of doctors that are trained each year. So the system is far from free market, more resembling medieval guild system, of which it did originate.
    - fixxer 11y ago
      > (including USA) False. The AMA lobbying activities were not successful and in fact they have been trying to expand. The limiting factor is residency.

by fixxer 11y ago

ZanyProgrammer 11y ago

You're assuming that people like this models from an Econ 101 textbook.

greedo 11y ago
Capitalism isn't perfect, but it is very efficient at determining value. The value of work is largely based on difficulty; the more difficult a skill, the more it pays. The higher pay attracts more people capable of mastering that skill, thus earning the higher pay. If you simply say everyone should make the same regardless of skill, then you diminish the value of both the skill, and the effort used to master the skill.
- pnut 11y ago
  I'm inclined to agree with you, except for the massive, glaring exception of inherited wealth/passive income. If you're just talking about the peons trading labor for money, then yes, more or less. But there's another class of folks, and my anecdotal evidence is that they're freaking everywhere, overflowing with unearned wealth. I'm nobody from nowhere and I know many of these people, and they'd be screwed if they had to go through what I have. The veneer of meritocratic capitalism in America should be at the breaking point IMO. But this is a vulgar place so I'm probably wrong.
  - fixxer 11y ago
    Nothing you are referring to is limited to America or capitalism. Even with incarnations of economic systems that are purported to solve inequality, who your daddy is matters. Take away wealth and humans will find some other system for status. The argument for capitalism is not about equality, but relative mobility compared to other systems. That mobility creates incentive and thus growth.
    - intopieces 11y ago
      >Nothing you are referring to is limited to America or capitalism. Fair enough. Let's call it all equal then. >The argument for capitalism is not about equality, but relative mobility compared to other systems. The argument for socialism (or socialism-like endeavors) is about equality; when societies are more equal, 'relative mobility' is less important, because the place you're in is less likely to be so horrible that you're dying to get out of it.
      - fixxer 11y ago
        You missed "In theory" at the beginning of your second response.
- sampo 11y ago
  I think in a lot of countries (including USA) there is a medical doctor's workers union or somesuch successfully lobbying for a regulation on the number of doctors that are trained each year. So the system is far from free market, more resembling medieval guild system, of which it did originate.
  - fixxer 11y ago
    > (including USA) False. The AMA lobbying activities were not successful and in fact they have been trying to expand. The limiting factor is residency.