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Re-read your sentence. If everyone has the same rules it is equal. There is no "no-win" if it is a level playing field. The company still must compete based on

Re-read your sentence. If everyone has the same rules it is equal. There is no "no-win" if it is a level playing field. The company still must compete based on salary in the broader marketplace.

mattmcknight 11y ago
The lack of the ability to negotiate is a lose-lose situation for everyone, where an initial salary bid can cause an employee who would join your company for the right price to join another company because you initially underbid another company. I offer someone $125k. She gets an offer for $135k from another place. She comes back and tells me that she likes our company better, but she likes that salary more and will be joining them unless we match the offer. If negotiation is forbidden, the company loses out on the person they want and the person loses out on the company they want, just because the initial bid was off. That's a lose-lose-win (so technically not a no-win), since the company that made an initial higher offer gets the candidate, but the candidate is less happy than she could have been. The company may not have been aware of the momentary price of that skill set in the market, or the particular demand that individual has created for her unique set of talents. You have to realize that just saying "no" to an offer is a form of negotiation when considered as part of the larger game.
- tzs 11y ago
  I suspect this would lead to people finding work arounds. "I'm sorry. We really want to hire you, but we pay $125K for application programmers, and cannot negotiate that. We cannot match your $135k offer. I do see, though, from your resume that you also have git experience. I think you meet our requirements for application engineer, which has a non-negotiable salary of $140k. Would you like to apply for that?"
  - siegecraft 11y ago
    Well then you'd have to mandate equality of who gets offered application engineer vs application programmer, or you'd be back in the same position as you started from..

Re-read your sentence. If everyone has the same rules it is equal. There is no "no-win" if it is a level playing field. The company still must compete based on salary in the broader marketplace.

mattmcknight 11y ago

The lack of the ability to negotiate is a lose-lose situation for everyone, where an initial salary bid can cause an employee who would join your company for the right price to join another company because you initially underbid another company. I offer someone $125k. She gets an offer for $135k from another place. She comes back and tells me that she likes our company better, but she likes that salary more and will be joining them unless we match the offer. If negotiation is forbidden, the company loses out on the person they want and the person loses out on the company they want, just because the initial bid was off. That's a lose-lose-win (so technically not a no-win), since the company that made an initial higher offer gets the candidate, but the candidate is less happy than she could have been. The company may not have been aware of the momentary price of that skill set in the market, or the particular demand that individual has created for her unique set of talents. You have to realize that just saying "no" to an offer is a form of negotiation when considered as part of the larger game.

tzs 11y ago
I suspect this would lead to people finding work arounds. "I'm sorry. We really want to hire you, but we pay $125K for application programmers, and cannot negotiate that. We cannot match your $135k offer. I do see, though, from your resume that you also have git experience. I think you meet our requirements for application engineer, which has a non-negotiable salary of $140k. Would you like to apply for that?"
- siegecraft 11y ago
  Well then you'd have to mandate equality of who gets offered application engineer vs application programmer, or you'd be back in the same position as you started from..