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FreeBSD 8.0 available (unofficially)

24 points by baha_man 17y ago

cperciva 17y ago
The official release announcement should be coming later today or tomorrow. In the mean time, I recommend that people do NOT download ISO imagess and start installing, since you have no way of verifying the authenticity of said ISO images. Upgrading via freebsd-update is perfectly fine, though -- those bits went up only after I received a GPG-signed email from the release engineer with the SHA256 hashes of the ISO images. :-)
- uggedal 17y ago
  The release notes (list of whats new) is not even made yet: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.0-RELEASE/RELNOTES.HTM
zokier 17y ago
freebsd.org seems quite hammered already
- cperciva 17y ago
  The web server went down a short time ago, and of the two admins, one is on vacation and the other is asleep. It should be back soon.
morphir 17y ago
What is it that makes FreeBSD more viable than linux?
- cperciva 17y ago
  I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "viable", but the principle structural advantages FreeBSD has are: 1. FreeBSD has system libraries maintained together with the kernel, thereby reducing compatibility issues, and 2. FreeBSD provides stable ABIs and APIs, so if you build some code -- including kernel modules -- on 8.0, it will run without recompiling on future 8.x releases. Depending on what you're doing, other factors such as the BSD license, the ports tree, and performance (FreeBSD and Linux each win in some areas and lose in others) may also be important considerations.
  - ciupicri 17y ago
    Any respectable "enterprise" Linux distribution has these two advantages.
- sivers 17y ago
  Like choosing Debian over Red Hat, or Solaris over Linux, some people just prefer the way it does things. You can geek out on millisecond benchmark performance comparisons with FreeBSD vs certain Linux kernels, but really it comes down to preference. I love its design and have been using it on all my servers (and often my home/dev/laptop) since 1998. But that's just me. No need to try to convince you to do the same. http://www.google.com/search?q=freebsd+linux+comparison http://www.google.com/search?q=freebsd+linux+comparison
  - morphir 17y ago
    That analogy is wrong. If you read what the other ones said, you will see that the 'linux is just a kernel' vs 'freebsd is a entire Operating System' is more correct. BSD provides the userland tools and thus supports the entire OS experience. Linux just makes the hardware available to the user. This also depends on how one defines the word Operating System. I remember linus was stating in the documentary 'OS Revolution' that "your never supposed to see a operating system - no one never uses a operating system, people use programs, the operating system makes it easy for the programs to access the computers resources" reference interview at 2,20 min. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409&ei=PjsOS-m0D82E-QarsvzQDg&q=os+revolution&client=firefox-a# http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409&...
- shizcakes 17y ago
  When I was first learning (recent switcher from various Linux distros to FreeBSD), I asked the same question. The best answer I received was that FreeBSD isn't quite like Ubuntu vs RHEL vs Fedora vs Gentoo, etc. BSD is a more-direct descendant of UNIX and is an operating system, vs Linux, which is actually a Kernel. They are different philosophies, and solve slightly different problems. From a high-level "I just want to use an operating system", your basic interactions can be quite similar. The most pragmatic explanation of BSD for Linux users I've seen is here: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4lin... That said, some things I like about FreeBSD that I didn't like about my favorite Linux distro, RHEL: 1) Ports (you can install packages, too, but I don't like waiting for someone to build one for me to download) 2) Clean and well-organized 3) Phenomenal documentation (RHEL isn't terrible here, I just feel more comfortable with FreeBSD's) 4) Less fancy extra features and such running out of the box (95% Personal preference, 5% security preference) 5) Less base-operating-system dependence on specific versions of languages (read: Yum/Python on RHEL) Some things that caught me off guard: 1) Ports generally come with the software's default config, not a friendly config created by a packager. This ended up being better for me in the long run, but awkward and confusing in the short term. 2) BIND is not an uninstallable package from the base distribution. 3) No htop without the Linux compatibility layer, which I don't care to install. I also haven't used FreeBSD on workstations, only on servers, so I am less demanding of comfort features than someone else may be. I hope that's somehow useful to you.
- zokier 17y ago
  I think that the main difference is that FreeBSD is an operating system and Linux is a kernel. What would be an interesting comparison is the differences between Debian/kFreeBSD and Debian/Linux which is more apples to apples.
morphir 17y ago
Here is a 3 minute install video of FreeBSD 7.0: http://www.installandboot.com/freebsd-70-installvideo/ http://www.installandboot.com/freebsd-70-installvideo/ Nice to follow along while booting a virtualbox.
cperciva 17y ago
Torrents for 8.0-RELEASE are now available: http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/ http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/
magv 17y ago
Does anyone have an insight as to why Google Trends [1] show that FreeBSD is more searched for in Russia and Ukraine than e.g. in US? [1] http://www.google.com/trends?q=freebsd http://www.google.com/trends?q=freebsd
- dchest 17y ago
  I guess because it's more popular there? Like Opera[1] or ICQ[2]. [1] http://www.google.com/trends?q=opera http://www.google.com/trends?q=opera [2] http://www.google.com/trends?q=icq http://www.google.com/trends?q=icq

24 points by baha_man 17y ago

The official release announcement should be coming later today or tomorrow. In the mean time, I recommend that people do NOT download ISO imagess and start installing, since you have no way of verifying the authenticity of said ISO images. Upgrading via freebsd-update is perfectly fine, though -- those bits went up only after I received a GPG-signed email from the release engineer with the SHA256 hashes of the ISO images. :-)

uggedal 17y ago
The release notes (list of whats new) is not even made yet: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.0-RELEASE/RELNOTES.HTM

zokier 17y ago

freebsd.org seems quite hammered already

cperciva 17y ago
The web server went down a short time ago, and of the two admins, one is on vacation and the other is asleep. It should be back soon.

morphir 17y ago

What is it that makes FreeBSD more viable than linux?

cperciva 17y ago
I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "viable", but the principle structural advantages FreeBSD has are: 1. FreeBSD has system libraries maintained together with the kernel, thereby reducing compatibility issues, and 2. FreeBSD provides stable ABIs and APIs, so if you build some code -- including kernel modules -- on 8.0, it will run without recompiling on future 8.x releases. Depending on what you're doing, other factors such as the BSD license, the ports tree, and performance (FreeBSD and Linux each win in some areas and lose in others) may also be important considerations.
- ciupicri 17y ago
  Any respectable "enterprise" Linux distribution has these two advantages.
sivers 17y ago
Like choosing Debian over Red Hat, or Solaris over Linux, some people just prefer the way it does things. You can geek out on millisecond benchmark performance comparisons with FreeBSD vs certain Linux kernels, but really it comes down to preference. I love its design and have been using it on all my servers (and often my home/dev/laptop) since 1998. But that's just me. No need to try to convince you to do the same. http://www.google.com/search?q=freebsd+linux+comparison http://www.google.com/search?q=freebsd+linux+comparison
- morphir 17y ago
  That analogy is wrong. If you read what the other ones said, you will see that the 'linux is just a kernel' vs 'freebsd is a entire Operating System' is more correct. BSD provides the userland tools and thus supports the entire OS experience. Linux just makes the hardware available to the user. This also depends on how one defines the word Operating System. I remember linus was stating in the documentary 'OS Revolution' that "your never supposed to see a operating system - no one never uses a operating system, people use programs, the operating system makes it easy for the programs to access the computers resources" reference interview at 2,20 min. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409&ei=PjsOS-m0D82E-QarsvzQDg&q=os+revolution&client=firefox-a# http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409&...
shizcakes 17y ago
When I was first learning (recent switcher from various Linux distros to FreeBSD), I asked the same question. The best answer I received was that FreeBSD isn't quite like Ubuntu vs RHEL vs Fedora vs Gentoo, etc. BSD is a more-direct descendant of UNIX and is an operating system, vs Linux, which is actually a Kernel. They are different philosophies, and solve slightly different problems. From a high-level "I just want to use an operating system", your basic interactions can be quite similar. The most pragmatic explanation of BSD for Linux users I've seen is here: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4lin... That said, some things I like about FreeBSD that I didn't like about my favorite Linux distro, RHEL: 1) Ports (you can install packages, too, but I don't like waiting for someone to build one for me to download) 2) Clean and well-organized 3) Phenomenal documentation (RHEL isn't terrible here, I just feel more comfortable with FreeBSD's) 4) Less fancy extra features and such running out of the box (95% Personal preference, 5% security preference) 5) Less base-operating-system dependence on specific versions of languages (read: Yum/Python on RHEL) Some things that caught me off guard: 1) Ports generally come with the software's default config, not a friendly config created by a packager. This ended up being better for me in the long run, but awkward and confusing in the short term. 2) BIND is not an uninstallable package from the base distribution. 3) No htop without the Linux compatibility layer, which I don't care to install. I also haven't used FreeBSD on workstations, only on servers, so I am less demanding of comfort features than someone else may be. I hope that's somehow useful to you.
zokier 17y ago
I think that the main difference is that FreeBSD is an operating system and Linux is a kernel. What would be an interesting comparison is the differences between Debian/kFreeBSD and Debian/Linux which is more apples to apples.

morphir 17y ago

Here is a 3 minute install video of FreeBSD 7.0: http://www.installandboot.com/freebsd-70-installvideo/ http://www.installandboot.com/freebsd-70-installvideo/ Nice to follow along while booting a virtualbox.

cperciva 17y ago

Torrents for 8.0-RELEASE are now available: http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/ http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/

magv 17y ago

Does anyone have an insight as to why Google Trends [1] show that FreeBSD is more searched for in Russia and Ukraine than e.g. in US? [1] http://www.google.com/trends?q=freebsd http://www.google.com/trends?q=freebsd

dchest 17y ago
I guess because it's more popular there? Like Opera[1] or ICQ[2]. [1] http://www.google.com/trends?q=opera http://www.google.com/trends?q=opera [2] http://www.google.com/trends?q=icq http://www.google.com/trends?q=icq