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I'm dev from Yekaterinburg and I'd disagree. Devs here like to watch ICPC. But it is student championship. Most of my colleagues just are not students. Mature p

by x4m 11y ago

I'm dev from Yekaterinburg and I'd disagree. Devs here like to watch ICPC. But it is student championship. Most of my colleagues just are not students. Mature programmers prefer ICFPC (:

custo15 11y ago
I'm agree that there's a passion among developers for such contests in Moscow, too. But my point is that this is not something "prestigious" and as a consequence a reason why many people "spending a lot of time" for it. I mean you will not get any major benefits for investing in this, or something. It's interesting but not must-have for a professional developer. And that's why I not see a lot of people around coding contest-like tasks instead of, for example, contibuting to open source or doing freelance job, etc.
- x4m 11y ago
  That`s true, according to Peter Norvig "Being good at programming competitions correlates negatively with being good on the job" http://www.catonmat.net/blog/programming-competitions-work-performance/ http://www.catonmat.net/blog/programming-competitions-work-p...
  - minwcnt5 11y ago
    You forgot to add the key qualifier "at Google". That says nothing about how being good at programming competitions correlates with being good on the job in general. It's also kind of common sense that if you spend a lot of time working on something that's not really related to your industry job that won't be as good at said industry job as if you spent that time, say, writing open source machine learning software. People just assume that programming == software engineering, but programming competitions are a lot more similar to math competitions than they are to real world jobs.
  - mzl 11y ago
    Norvigs claim can quite probably be credited to selection bias. See http://erikbern.com/2015/04/07/norvigs-claim-that-programming-competitions-correlate-negatively-with-being-good-on-the-job/ http://erikbern.com/2015/04/07/norvigs-claim-that-programmin... for some nice graphs.

by x4m 11y ago

I'm dev from Yekaterinburg and I'd disagree. Devs here like to watch ICPC. But it is student championship. Most of my colleagues just are not students. Mature programmers prefer ICFPC (:

custo15 11y ago

I'm agree that there's a passion among developers for such contests in Moscow, too. But my point is that this is not something "prestigious" and as a consequence a reason why many people "spending a lot of time" for it. I mean you will not get any major benefits for investing in this, or something. It's interesting but not must-have for a professional developer. And that's why I not see a lot of people around coding contest-like tasks instead of, for example, contibuting to open source or doing freelance job, etc.

x4m 11y ago
That`s true, according to Peter Norvig "Being good at programming competitions correlates negatively with being good on the job" http://www.catonmat.net/blog/programming-competitions-work-performance/ http://www.catonmat.net/blog/programming-competitions-work-p...
- minwcnt5 11y ago
  You forgot to add the key qualifier "at Google". That says nothing about how being good at programming competitions correlates with being good on the job in general. It's also kind of common sense that if you spend a lot of time working on something that's not really related to your industry job that won't be as good at said industry job as if you spent that time, say, writing open source machine learning software. People just assume that programming == software engineering, but programming competitions are a lot more similar to math competitions than they are to real world jobs.
- mzl 11y ago
  Norvigs claim can quite probably be credited to selection bias. See http://erikbern.com/2015/04/07/norvigs-claim-that-programming-competitions-correlate-negatively-with-being-good-on-the-job/ http://erikbern.com/2015/04/07/norvigs-claim-that-programmin... for some nice graphs.