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> But that's not good either? Indeed, it's not a binary decision, there are other ways than just sell you user's data. For starter, Google (and now Yahoo) wer

by ama729 11y ago

> But that's not good either? Indeed, it's not a binary decision, there are other ways than just sell you user's data. For starter, Google (and now Yahoo) were giving hundreds of millions every year. What did Mozilla do with that?

icebraining 11y ago
Mostly, it funded development: http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/mozilla_report_2013.png http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/mozilla_re...
- ama729 11y ago
  In 2012 they had a surplus of more than $100,000,000 though... And still, $30,000,000 for administrative cost? $45,000,000 for marketing? (never saw any ads for firefox, did you? I have no idea what they spent so much money on)
  - FooBarWidget 11y ago
    Maybe you can email them and ask?
  - icebraining 11y ago
    Marketing is not just ads. They support a lot of projects like the Stupid Shit No One Needs & Terrible Ideas Hackathon[1], the Gigabit Community Fund[2], the Hive NYC Learning Network[3], and many more, which probably are itemized as marketing. [1] http://stupidhackathon.github.io/ http://stupidhackathon.github.io/ [2] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/gigabit/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/gigabit/ [3] http://hivenyc.org/ http://hivenyc.org/
  - maxerickson 11y ago
    The discussion of those numbers is here: https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/Mozilla_Audited_Financials_2013.pdf https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/Mozilla_Audited_Fi... It isn't hugely informative, but I would guess that the $9 million in office leases mentioned towards the end is categorized as an administrative cost.
FooBarWidget 11y ago
What did they do with it? Have you looked at the insane amount of engineering they have done in the past 8 years? Their Javascript engine is among the fastest in the world. An insane amount of money has been pumped into hiring world-class experts to develop it. Not to mention the continuous improvements to their rendering engine, marketing and awareness projects, charity projects to get minorities like kids and women into web development, fighting legal battles against patent encumbered technologies like H264, etc. You are seriously underestimating the amount of money they need.
- mahouse 11y ago
  > Their Javascript engine is among the fastest in the world. And still easily the slowest.
  - epmatsw 11y ago
    Oh really? http://arewefastyet.com/ http://arewefastyet.com/
    - mahouse 11y ago
      Yes, really. Benchmarks are fabricated and hardly represent real use cases, such as modifying the DOM.
      - fabrice_d 11y ago
        DOM modification performance has next to nothing to do with the performance of the JS engine.

by ama729 11y ago

icebraining 11y ago

Mostly, it funded development: http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/mozilla_report_2013.png http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/mozilla_re...

ama729 11y ago
In 2012 they had a surplus of more than $100,000,000 though... And still, $30,000,000 for administrative cost? $45,000,000 for marketing? (never saw any ads for firefox, did you? I have no idea what they spent so much money on)
- FooBarWidget 11y ago
  Maybe you can email them and ask?
- icebraining 11y ago
  Marketing is not just ads. They support a lot of projects like the Stupid Shit No One Needs & Terrible Ideas Hackathon[1], the Gigabit Community Fund[2], the Hive NYC Learning Network[3], and many more, which probably are itemized as marketing. [1] http://stupidhackathon.github.io/ http://stupidhackathon.github.io/ [2] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/gigabit/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/gigabit/ [3] http://hivenyc.org/ http://hivenyc.org/
- maxerickson 11y ago
  The discussion of those numbers is here: https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/Mozilla_Audited_Financials_2013.pdf https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/Mozilla_Audited_Fi... It isn't hugely informative, but I would guess that the $9 million in office leases mentioned towards the end is categorized as an administrative cost.

FooBarWidget 11y ago

What did they do with it? Have you looked at the insane amount of engineering they have done in the past 8 years? Their Javascript engine is among the fastest in the world. An insane amount of money has been pumped into hiring world-class experts to develop it. Not to mention the continuous improvements to their rendering engine, marketing and awareness projects, charity projects to get minorities like kids and women into web development, fighting legal battles against patent encumbered technologies like H264, etc. You are seriously underestimating the amount of money they need.

mahouse 11y ago
> Their Javascript engine is among the fastest in the world. And still easily the slowest.
- epmatsw 11y ago
  Oh really? http://arewefastyet.com/ http://arewefastyet.com/
  - mahouse 11y ago
    Yes, really. Benchmarks are fabricated and hardly represent real use cases, such as modifying the DOM.
    - fabrice_d 11y ago
      DOM modification performance has next to nothing to do with the performance of the JS engine.