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For visibility (people aren't reading this) From the author: "Folks. Please STOP +1 and :+1: -ing GitHub tickets. We get it, but it makes tickets hard to have

by mfkp 11y ago

For visibility (people aren't reading this) From the author: "Folks. Please STOP +1 and :+1: -ing GitHub tickets. We get it, but it makes tickets hard to have conversations on. Contribute with something substantive instead." This is a very common problem for github issues posted on HN/any social media. Would be great if github had a voting mechanism.

crazysim 11y ago
It originally did have a voting mechanism.
fmorel 11y ago
I don't get why people don't just subscribe to the issue instead of +1. Google's issue trackers have the same issue: they support starring but people insist on doing "me too" posts.
- masklinn 11y ago
  > I don't get why people don't just subscribe to the issue instead of +1 Because subscribing does not show interest/support: the repository owner does not see how many people have subscribed to the issue. Furthermore, supporting the resolution of an issue does not mean you want to be spammed with updates to said issue. > Google's issue trackers have the same issue: they support starring but people insist on doing "me too" posts. Google's issue tracker has the same issue to a lower extent: while everybody can see the number of stars on an issue (which is good), starring an issue requires following it and being spammed by it (which is bad). Then again, people are by and large idiots, even on e.g. youtrack (which has non-subscripting voting) +1 comments abound: http://blog.jetbrains.com/youtrack/2013/01/making-1-mean-what-it-really-means/ http://blog.jetbrains.com/youtrack/2013/01/making-1-mean-wha... Only way I see to mitigate that is assuming the tracker has orthogonal subscription and voting ruthless moderation and removal of worthless "+1" comments.
  - hk__2 11y ago
    > Furthermore, supporting the resolution of an issue does not mean you want to be spammed with updates to said issue. Commenting on the issue automatically subscribes you to it. You have to manually unsubscribe if you don’t want to be spammed.
    - masklinn 11y ago
      Of course, but the point is you can have commented ("voted") and not subscribed (/unsubscribed) from the issue. Although commenting subcribes by default (which does make sense) they are orthogonal.
- dansman 11y ago
  Subscribing to this issues will spam your inbox. 42 updates just in the last 2h.
hartator 11y ago
From random people, it's not usefull for sure. But, I think doing +1 or thumb up when you are contributing somehow to the actual project is actually valuable to gauge support.
- jonahx 11y ago
  I think everyone agrees gauging support is valuable. The issue is that the mechanism should be an up/down voting feature like HN has, not a post in a thread meant for conversations.
- akhatri_aus 11y ago
  It's actually awful. Often times everyone pretty much agrees a change is needed. It needs a bit of work which needs to be discussed. The +1s are so irritating because you have to read through a huge conversation and you also keep getting email notifications because you want to keep in touch with a thread. It actually makes it harder to do what the github topic is about with the +1s.
blueside 11y ago
I don't know what I hate more, the +1's or the excessive use of meme pictures in github issue threads
- inglor 11y ago
  I really think that GitHub needs better tools to deal with this, this is very frustrating - the only options right now are deleting a ton of comments or locking it preventing all discussion. Prompting people with a modal informing them what comments are inappropriate would go a long way.
  - omouse 11y ago
    In the past you would create a few mailing lists; I think sourceforge automatically did that for you too. They should have locked the thread or use a wiki page for this. A wiki page is less likely to be edited to add this kind of comment or at least it would be easier to clean up with a bot.
- andreasklinger 11y ago
  Team internally we introduce `+1 by XYZ` labels exactly for this reason It's surprising that Github doesnt provide "approval" as a native feature
- feedjoelpie 11y ago
  me too ... :)
  - feedjoelpie 11y ago
    OH COME ON, IT WAS A JOKE, MODS.
    - striking 11y ago
      Looks like people don't get it. Or maybe they have a different view on what's funny. In any case, commenting about downvotes just attracts more downvotes.
inglor 11y ago
Apparently it's possible to work around a lot of this as shown in here https://github.com/jashkenas/underscore/issues/2184 https://github.com/jashkenas/underscore/issues/2184 although that excludes meaningful contributions from non-contributors.
inakiabt 11y ago
I'm using https://www.zenhub.io/ https://www.zenhub.io/, it adds a voting mechanism on github.
jwecker 11y ago
Comment voting ala hackernews / reddit would be useful but in this case so would some attached polls. The +1, -1 was from "back in the day" when it was a useful way for the active contributors to actually vote on something (or straw-poll it) in a mailing list etc. It's annoying in some cases now because 1) it's anyone, not just the active contributors or even users, 2) people don't use it as a vote but as a general expression of support, 3) -1 isn't really used anymore so you can't scan them and see what the sentiment is, and 4) in this case, it's not even clear what they are lending support to- the merge, or that it is time to discuss a merge seriously. So yeah, in this case it's noise but in some contexts +1/-1 is a quick and simple way to govern code and it has historical roots. Just ranting as I think they and some in this thread are a little too quick to judge. +1/-1 from the right people could be considered very relevant information to a discussion (esp. within a focused community).

by mfkp 11y ago

crazysim 11y ago

It originally did have a voting mechanism.

fmorel 11y ago

I don't get why people don't just subscribe to the issue instead of +1. Google's issue trackers have the same issue: they support starring but people insist on doing "me too" posts.

masklinn 11y ago
> I don't get why people don't just subscribe to the issue instead of +1 Because subscribing does not show interest/support: the repository owner does not see how many people have subscribed to the issue. Furthermore, supporting the resolution of an issue does not mean you want to be spammed with updates to said issue. > Google's issue trackers have the same issue: they support starring but people insist on doing "me too" posts. Google's issue tracker has the same issue to a lower extent: while everybody can see the number of stars on an issue (which is good), starring an issue requires following it and being spammed by it (which is bad). Then again, people are by and large idiots, even on e.g. youtrack (which has non-subscripting voting) +1 comments abound: http://blog.jetbrains.com/youtrack/2013/01/making-1-mean-what-it-really-means/ http://blog.jetbrains.com/youtrack/2013/01/making-1-mean-wha... Only way I see to mitigate that is assuming the tracker has orthogonal subscription and voting ruthless moderation and removal of worthless "+1" comments.
- hk__2 11y ago
  > Furthermore, supporting the resolution of an issue does not mean you want to be spammed with updates to said issue. Commenting on the issue automatically subscribes you to it. You have to manually unsubscribe if you don’t want to be spammed.
  - masklinn 11y ago
    Of course, but the point is you can have commented ("voted") and not subscribed (/unsubscribed) from the issue. Although commenting subcribes by default (which does make sense) they are orthogonal.
dansman 11y ago
Subscribing to this issues will spam your inbox. 42 updates just in the last 2h.

hartator 11y ago

From random people, it's not usefull for sure. But, I think doing +1 or thumb up when you are contributing somehow to the actual project is actually valuable to gauge support.

jonahx 11y ago
I think everyone agrees gauging support is valuable. The issue is that the mechanism should be an up/down voting feature like HN has, not a post in a thread meant for conversations.
akhatri_aus 11y ago
It's actually awful. Often times everyone pretty much agrees a change is needed. It needs a bit of work which needs to be discussed. The +1s are so irritating because you have to read through a huge conversation and you also keep getting email notifications because you want to keep in touch with a thread. It actually makes it harder to do what the github topic is about with the +1s.

blueside 11y ago

I don't know what I hate more, the +1's or the excessive use of meme pictures in github issue threads

inglor 11y ago
I really think that GitHub needs better tools to deal with this, this is very frustrating - the only options right now are deleting a ton of comments or locking it preventing all discussion. Prompting people with a modal informing them what comments are inappropriate would go a long way.
- omouse 11y ago
  In the past you would create a few mailing lists; I think sourceforge automatically did that for you too. They should have locked the thread or use a wiki page for this. A wiki page is less likely to be edited to add this kind of comment or at least it would be easier to clean up with a bot.
andreasklinger 11y ago
Team internally we introduce `+1 by XYZ` labels exactly for this reason It's surprising that Github doesnt provide "approval" as a native feature
feedjoelpie 11y ago
me too ... :)
- feedjoelpie 11y ago
  OH COME ON, IT WAS A JOKE, MODS.
  - striking 11y ago
    Looks like people don't get it. Or maybe they have a different view on what's funny. In any case, commenting about downvotes just attracts more downvotes.

inglor 11y ago

Apparently it's possible to work around a lot of this as shown in here https://github.com/jashkenas/underscore/issues/2184 https://github.com/jashkenas/underscore/issues/2184 although that excludes meaningful contributions from non-contributors.

inakiabt 11y ago

I'm using https://www.zenhub.io/ https://www.zenhub.io/, it adds a voting mechanism on github.

jwecker 11y ago

Comment voting ala hackernews / reddit would be useful but in this case so would some attached polls. The +1, -1 was from "back in the day" when it was a useful way for the active contributors to actually vote on something (or straw-poll it) in a mailing list etc. It's annoying in some cases now because 1) it's anyone, not just the active contributors or even users, 2) people don't use it as a vote but as a general expression of support, 3) -1 isn't really used anymore so you can't scan them and see what the sentiment is, and 4) in this case, it's not even clear what they are lending support to- the merge, or that it is time to discuss a merge seriously. So yeah, in this case it's noise but in some contexts +1/-1 is a quick and simple way to govern code and it has historical roots. Just ranting as I think they and some in this thread are a little too quick to judge. +1/-1 from the right people could be considered very relevant information to a discussion (esp. within a focused community).