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I've seen this get abused a lot in some companies when they grab interns straight out of school and then convert them to F/T. One other possibly sneaky area is

by ecspike 11y ago

I've seen this get abused a lot in some companies when they grab interns straight out of school and then convert them to F/T. One other possibly sneaky area is when companies shift to unaccrued or "unlimited" vacation and the company puts a culture in place that discourages using that vacation. I'm fortunate to currently work in a place where the unavoidable crunch times are followed by vacation my manager almost forced me to plan to avoid burnout.

amenghra 11y ago
The intern -> F/T conversion usually comes with some kind of equity grant. It's not all black & white.
- krisdol 11y ago
  Maybe at a startup or possibly some big names in SV.
lsiebert 11y ago
Vacation, as best I can tell (IANAL) doesn't really effect the rate if you are on a salary. from http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_overtime.htm http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_overtime.htm If you are paid a salary, the regular rate is determined as follows: Multiply the monthly remuneration by 12 (months) to get the annual salary. Divide the annual salary by 52 (weeks) to get the weekly salary. Divide the weekly salary by the number of legal maximum regular hours (40) to get the regular hourly rate.
- frobozz 11y ago
  It may not affect the legal definition of hourly rate for the purposes of overtime, but there is a clear difference between working 12 * 52 * 40 hours for X money, and working 12 * 47 * 40 hours for X money.
  - lsiebert 11y ago
    True, but the parent comment was about company culture where vacation taking was not encouraged. The number of vacation days don't appear to matter, what matters is whether there is a week where you work overtime. The idea being, I think, that working 120 hours deserves additional compensation, whether you have a week to recover or not, and companies can't game overtime by giving you vacation days to recover. They would be better off just having you work regularly.
mauricemir 11y ago
So? Tech occupations are almost all 100% salaried for Managerial and professional Grades.

by ecspike 11y ago

amenghra 11y ago

The intern -> F/T conversion usually comes with some kind of equity grant. It's not all black & white.

krisdol 11y ago
Maybe at a startup or possibly some big names in SV.

lsiebert 11y ago

Vacation, as best I can tell (IANAL) doesn't really effect the rate if you are on a salary. from http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_overtime.htm http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_overtime.htm If you are paid a salary, the regular rate is determined as follows: Multiply the monthly remuneration by 12 (months) to get the annual salary. Divide the annual salary by 52 (weeks) to get the weekly salary. Divide the weekly salary by the number of legal maximum regular hours (40) to get the regular hourly rate.

frobozz 11y ago
It may not affect the legal definition of hourly rate for the purposes of overtime, but there is a clear difference between working 12 * 52 * 40 hours for X money, and working 12 * 47 * 40 hours for X money.
- lsiebert 11y ago
  True, but the parent comment was about company culture where vacation taking was not encouraged. The number of vacation days don't appear to matter, what matters is whether there is a week where you work overtime. The idea being, I think, that working 120 hours deserves additional compensation, whether you have a week to recover or not, and companies can't game overtime by giving you vacation days to recover. They would be better off just having you work regularly.

mauricemir 11y ago

So? Tech occupations are almost all 100% salaried for Managerial and professional Grades.