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As for your second point, a 2 point conversion is basically just like any goal line play which they practice many times and encounter in games often. So I woul

by giarc 11y ago

As for your second point, a 2 point conversion is basically just like any goal line play which they practice many times and encounter in games often. So I would say they have maximized their ability for this play and it wouldn't change if they attempted it more.

91bananas 11y ago
I agree here, from my observations teams struggle far more from super short yardage (<3 yards) worse than they struggle from ~10 yards. The lack of space before the goal line limits the routes you can run. The defense clogging the middle becomes easier because there is no deep threat to allocate safeties and linebackers to. I think the more 2 point plays that are run, defenses are going to get better at stopping them. I also wonder what percentage of successful 2 point plays were fake kicks, where special teams defense was out there. Rather than actual defensive starters. I wager that if offenses have to face real defenses in this situation they will perform worse.
- swyman 11y ago
  > I also wonder what percentage of successful 2 point plays were fake kicks, where special teams defense was out there. Rather than actual defensive starters. I wager that if offenses have to face real defenses in this situation they will perform worse. Fair point, but I don't think I've ever seen any team at any level of play attempt a true fake FG on an extra point. There is, however, a related concept called a "Swinging Gate"[0] that's relatively prevalent at the high school level, rare at the college level, and almost completely unused in the NFL. Interestingly, this rule change completely eliminates the possibility since teams won't be able to reset into a traditional field goal formation at the 2 yard-line. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging_gate_%28American_football%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging_gate_%28American_foot...

by giarc 11y ago

91bananas 11y ago

I agree here, from my observations teams struggle far more from super short yardage (<3 yards) worse than they struggle from ~10 yards. The lack of space before the goal line limits the routes you can run. The defense clogging the middle becomes easier because there is no deep threat to allocate safeties and linebackers to. I think the more 2 point plays that are run, defenses are going to get better at stopping them. I also wonder what percentage of successful 2 point plays were fake kicks, where special teams defense was out there. Rather than actual defensive starters. I wager that if offenses have to face real defenses in this situation they will perform worse.

swyman 11y ago
> I also wonder what percentage of successful 2 point plays were fake kicks, where special teams defense was out there. Rather than actual defensive starters. I wager that if offenses have to face real defenses in this situation they will perform worse. Fair point, but I don't think I've ever seen any team at any level of play attempt a true fake FG on an extra point. There is, however, a related concept called a "Swinging Gate"[0] that's relatively prevalent at the high school level, rare at the college level, and almost completely unused in the NFL. Interestingly, this rule change completely eliminates the possibility since teams won't be able to reset into a traditional field goal formation at the 2 yard-line. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging_gate_%28American_football%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging_gate_%28American_foot...